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Stole this one from @stux , felt it deserved its own toot. LOL We got this moron Donald Trump Going up against Mumbles McBiden, America doesnt stand a chance.
Sorry but I've read the defunding plan in detail and its the worse plan I've ever heard, and it wont ever get passed anyway.
Sorry but as someone who has lived in many countries and traveled to many more I've seen first hand what police forces and the community look like both in well funded and not so well funded police. I've seen well funded police that do their job well, I've seen poorly funded police that made me scared for my life.
Defunding is a naive and ignorant plan that wont work and just makes things worse.
Would be to onumerous to list them all to be honest.
I've seen the official stuff put out by BLM, I've seen several writeups from BLM members and supporters adding their own take, I've read the history of Camden and their attempts and failures, etc.
You are the first person I ever met face to face who actually thought it would work mind you, most of what I read came from BLM leadership and supporters rather than from day to day people I meet, who all have been strongly against it as a plan
I think ive expressed it in the thread before..
1) Many places have defunded police and not solved the issue (such as camden).. in fact once you look at the data critically (not the bad analysis you would get from a news paper, but more rigerously) it was obvious to me that camden had no real benefit by defunding their own police department. The result was crime changed at about the same rate as the background rate, as did homicides by police.
2) People wouldnt go along with it, and it isnt likely to actually happen.
3)It doesnt solve the underlying problems, any such group, if given the same powers as a police force to arrest and use force, as would be required, would ultimately have all the same flaws as a police force.
The underlying problem is, very obviously, a lack of accountability in those who have the power to conduct arrests. If that accountability issue isnt addressed, the problem will never be solved. It comes from multiple aspects (all highlighted by my 9 points). Some of the solutions are the legal structure, others have to do with how police see each other.
So unless the solution focuses ont he problem, it wont be a solution. As I said we have examples where defunding was tried and it was a failure, or atleast failed to create significant enough results.
1) Doing new things is hard, but the USA is a young new country with horrible cruft
that is worth experimenting for improving. It works and fails as all things. We must also demand that ALL police funds and more are spent on community programs and social services
2) It has already begun, it's starting on a city level, which is perfect for this experimentation
3) "It doesn't solve the underlying problems, any such group, if given the same powers as a police force to arrest and use force, as would be required, would ultimately have all the same flaws as a police force."
This is where you're just wrong. Any organization that uses force needs to be just for that. They need to be community members instead of random outsiders, their use of force needs to be managed by elected members of the local community, etc. You almost never need "police" anyway: even to arrest people, most people will accept they're going to jail and that if they resist, the worker just leaves and sends a community member authorized to use force