@servant_of_the_anime_avatars @yaksha

"Only if vaccination has nothing to do with your Chance oft getting infected"

No this is also true when the two are correlated. No vaccine is 100% so any reference to 100% effectiveness isnt relevant.

Consider a simple example, a vaccine is 99% effective and 100% of the population has it. What is the expected percentage of people with COVID you expect to have been vaccinated? The answer is 100% even though the vaccine is 99% effective.

@freemo @yaksha
No, No, No!
We are talking about ISRAEL not some fairy tale country.
In Israel roughly half the population is vaccinated and 40% of new infections are among the vaccinated.
So, how effective is the vaccine there. Try doing the math...

Fun fact: if half the population is vaccinated and half the newly infected are vaccinated the effectiveness of the vaccine is ZERO. Since there is no statistical advantage for being vaccinated.

@servant_of_the_anime_avatars

Over 90% of the population in israel is vaccinated for the portion of the population susceptible to hospitalization (those 50 years and older). They are one of the most vaccinated countries.

Yes having 90% of the population who are likely to have a severe reaction to the point of seeing a doctor is going to **severely** skew the results...

Jesus christ people stop spewing your own made of fairy tales if you dont even understand the official explanation first (then you can try to poke holes in it ones you understand it, which you clearly dont).

@yaksha

@freemo @yaksha The people who are more likely to go see the doctor also are also (******severely*********!!!) more likely to be in the 1% which got the virus and is now infected again...

Do you want me to be condescending too? Did you even read the original point?

@servant_of_the_anime_avatars

No also not correct. in a 99% effective vaccine the 1% who get the virus are **not** the ones who are most likely to have also gotten the virus and is now reinfected.. in fact the opposite is true, they are less likely to be in the 1% as the previous infection combined with the vaccine will make it less likely.

@yaksha

@freemo @yaksha Why do you even write this?
Both vaccines and previous infection can be analyzed as a reduction in the likelihood to be infected.

Your argument about the age has to apply to both...

@colonelj @freemo @yaksha people forget few people can't get vaccinated due to allergies or health problems but this is what i was told.

@1iceloops123 @colonelj @freemo @yaksha
But then, the Democrats that snuck out of Texas got COVID, but were vaccinated.

@colonelj

You have to keep in mind the numbers arent likely saying what you think they are.

If 99 out of 100 unvacinated people get infected, but 10 out of 100 vaccinated people get infected, then clearly the vaccination reduces infection.

However even if the above numbers are true if an overwhelming majority of people are vaccinated then you will see **more** people in the hospital with covid that are vaccinated than unvaccinated.

@yaksha

@freemo @yaksha in a world where eveyone is vaccinated, maybe 100%/most of hospitalizations from whatever disease could be only of the vaccinated. but this isn't feasible. even in a world where 90% of people are vaccinated. the unvaccinated would still make up 90+% of the hospitalizations. i hope this make sense. this is my point and I hope it makes sense.

they have to use these large, less meaningful numbers to try and convince people because trying to tell them their actual covid fatality rate (for those 70 and below i think is the range) isn't doing the job.

@colonelj

If 90% of the susceptible population is vaccinated.

The vaccines are about 72% effective overall and 86% effective against severe infection.

Threfore out of 1000 people, assuming everyone is being exposed to the virus, then you'd expect 252 people who were vaccinated to contract covid and only 100 vaccinated people.

In other words with the real world numbers, even with the vaccines being significantly effective, we would see 2.5x **more** people showing up in hospitals that are vaccinated with covid than unvaccinated.

Come on now this isnt complicated stuff!

@yaksha

@freemo @yaksha i'm not saying vaccines don't work or anything of the sort. I'm saying the logic of "the majority of people being hospitalized are the unvaccinated" is not good.

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

@colonelj

Well I just did the actual math for you (albeit slightly simplified). I literally showed why you'd **expect** it in the case of israel.

@yaksha

@colonelj @freemo @yaksha 60% of people hospitalized with COVID in the UK are vaccinated, so either this article is wrong, or there's no correlation between not getting vaccinated and being hospitalized with COVID.

@q @freemo @yaksha
60% of people being admitted to UK hospitals are unvaccinated - adviser*

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/60-people-being-admitted-uk-hospitals-had-two-covid-jabs-adviser-2021-07-19/

@colonelj

Again I showed you the very simple equation earlier to determine if that is unusual or expected... What does the equation show you when you apply it to the UK?

I'll wait.

@q @yaksha

@freemo @q i am not sure why you are asking me to do the math when i am not questioning the effectiveness of vaccines. i corrected their post.

@colonelj

My apologies then, I misunderstood.

@q

@colonelj @freemo @yaksha So either way almost half are vaccinated and still hospitalized then. Sounds like it's not worth the risk of blood clots and heart inflammation then

@q @freemo @yaksha if you're in the uk and for younger people? sure. maybe.

@colonelj @freemo @yaksha What do you mean "in the UK?" It's the same virus all over the world. If you're still going to get hospitalized any way there's literally no point.

@q
You are forgetting the Regional variants, that are all meant to be 100 times more dangerous and contagious than the last but never really seem to do much more.
@colonelj @freemo @yaksha

@TheAncestor @colonelj @freemo @yaksha SARS-CoV-2 is SARS-CoV-2 no matter where you go. There's no such thing as a regional variant. That is fake news fear mongering

@q @freemo @yaksha l feel that for whatever reason the uk vaccines are less effective than us if 40% of the covid hospitalizations there are vaccinated and here it's 1.1%
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

@colonelj @freemo @yaksha Imagine my shock. they no longer count COVID cases among the vaccinated, and now all of a sudden they're able to report only unvaccinated people get it.

Yet another reason journalists deserve the rope

@q @colonelj @freemo @yaksha
no one is going to mention that multiple of these "vaccines" are not real vaccines and that dictionaries have quietly updated their definitions of vaccine in the most Orwellian manner?
that the FDA has not approved any of these "vaccines"?
that the third stage trials are still not complete in these "vaccines"?
that children who are not at risk are being shilled these "vaccines"?
that any preventative measure or otherwise non-"vaccine" measure against COVID-19 has been shilled against to the point no one remembers them?
that a handful of powerful companies are reaping monetary rewards at the expense of taxpayers to drive the "free" "vaccines"?

i guess circle jerking about numbers is ok too

@VaxxersPostingTheirLs @colonelj @freemo @yaksha Yeah either way the mrna is a scam. Just use Ivermectin

@Dice

The vaccine isnt "useless if they still get sick" because it isnt an all or nothing thing. The vaccine significantly reduces their chances of getting sick, not 100%, but significant enough to be far from useless.

@yaksha

@freemo @yaksha It is because 40% of hospitalizations in the UK and increasingly in the other places are double jabbed people.
https://twitter.com/Humble_Analysis/status/1414627478610464771
https://twitter.com/Humble_Analysis/status/1415376510685380608

@Dice

Nope... I wonder if you can spot why thats bad data? Would you even listen if i explained it to you... probably not... Hint: That chart isnt normalized and thus you cant use it to make inferences. You would have to compare infection rates according to a fixed sample size of each country in order to get remotely accurate data.

@yaksha

@freemo @yaksha Cannibal nigger

@Dice

zero fucks given from a guy who doesnt even know high school level statistics.

@yaksha

@freemo @yaksha Coming from a guy who doesn't know grade 3 biology

@Dice

I mean, your not exactly smart enough to assess peoples grade level, so not really gonna care.

@yaksha

@Dice @freemo @yaksha can you not say the gamer word

@freemo @Dice @yaksha I DO NOT CARE HOW MANY FAKE AND GAY & RETARDED MAGIC PIECES OF PAPER YOU GOT FROM SOME "FAGGOT RETARD STUDFARM (AKA " UNIVERSITY")". I AM FASTER AND PHYSICALLY STRONGER THAN YOU AND YOU TALK LIKE A GERIATRIC RETARD WHO HAS TAKEN MILES OF PHALLIC INSERTIONS UP HIS ASS HOLE.

@shitgrifter @freemo @Dice @yaksha Post physique

@SneedsterSpeedster @Dice @freemo @yaksha no.

@deprecated

And I showed the math on israel as to why it is not just normal but expected given their vaccination rate.

Since im sure your a smart person I presume you did the same math on the UK numbers. What did you get?

@yaksha

@freemo Irrelevant. You claimed this was unique to Israel. It isn’t. Don’t speak authoritatively when you’re ignorant of basic facts.

@deprecated It is unique to israel, the UK has different numbers that arent as severe as the numbers in israel.

The same math works out there too.

@freemo @deprecated hey mr super genius Data Soyentist riddle me this, why does VAERS have more deaths for the experimental gene therapy "vaccinations" than for all other vaccines combined in the same time period, and what is considered an acceptable "breakthrough" infection rate for LITERALLY ANY OTHER VACCINE

@DK_Dharmaraj

How many covid vaccines were given in that period and how many other vaccines were given in that same period? Hint, you see more in VARES because we are administering COVID vaccines are rates much higher than other vaccines at the moment. We are after all trying to inoculate an entire planet as fast as we can.

@deprecated

@freemo @DK_Dharmaraj You’re being intentionally dishonest and generally acting like a jew. You mischaracterize what people say and try to move the goalposts when your errors are pointed out. No doubt you do well in midwit academia but what you’re trying to pull is transparent here.

@deprecated

LAAAWWWLLLL you literally described pretty much everyone in this chat **except** me.. I know the projection was going to happen eventually. Thanks for that, lol.

@DK_Dharmaraj

@freemo @DK_Dharmaraj Again. The jew cries out as he strikes you.

@freemo @DK_Dharmaraj @deprecated
*innoculate

that can't be a serious statement. Do you have any idea what you're implying? Innoculating 7.5bn people?

@hydramacready

We managed to do it with small pox and eradicated the virus. Though im pretty sure people are a fair bit dumber these days.

@deprecated @DK_Dharmaraj

@freemo @deprecated @DK_Dharmaraj
when smallpox was a thing the population was infinitesimal compared to now and we weren't flying or connected by decent roads at the time, again, what are you even talking about

@hydramacready

Likewise our ability to produce and distribute the vaccine has grown perportionally as well.. what are **you** talking about.

@deprecated @DK_Dharmaraj

@freemo @hydramacready @DK_Dharmaraj Too dumb to see the implications of letting free global travel happen while trying to control the spread of a disease, yep, you sound like a midwit academic alright.

@deprecated @DK_Dharmaraj @hydramacready @freemo Fun fact the common cold is the result of global trade and travel. It never existed prior.

@freemo @deprecated @DK_Dharmaraj
> produce
let's skip R&D and go straight to mass production. riddle me this, the typical time to *develop a vaccine is 5 to 10 years, but COVID vaccines have been rushed to market in less than one. Why is that?

* coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline