The vaccination question is simple:

Is the government allowed to dictate medical intervention?

@b6hydra there are already signs that the vaccines might be selecting for more virulent and transmissible strains of the virus.

value judgements on whether people should be allowed to harm themselves should be based on science, not political expediency.

particularly when the topic of conversation is violation of human rights

my body, my choice, no?

@skells Usually I'd agree with 'my body, my choice'. But this is a virus which affects other people too... Not sure if that's still 100% a 'my body, my choice' case.

Just something to ponder about philosophically. I know my government is not going to enforce vaccination, but a lot of people in my country are willing to vaccinate so it's thankfully not a terribly huge point of discussion here.

@b6hydra

@trinsec

The thing is, other people can get the virus, wear masks, wear full hazmat suits if they like. So the whole argument of bodily autonomy not being valid goes out the window

@skells @b6hydra

@freemo Yeah, that is if you look at the individual perspective. Then you're absolutely right there.

But what if it's a group effort thing? A 'for the greater good' case?

@skells @b6hydra

@trinsec @freemo @skells @b6hydra You can justify literally any human rights violation as being "for the greater good". The oppressors aren't concerned with whether or not their victims benefit from "the greater good".

@galena I'm always amazed that when the term 'for the greater good' is used, people somehow manage to twist it towards something that might eventually lead to a Godwin.

What if it's not used like 'enforcing' it, but philosophically like I intended?

@freemo @b6hydra @skells

@trinsec

to be fair some of the worst evils have been perpetrated in the name of a "greater good"... the name itself implies one must suffer a lesser evil to achieve a greater good. So I think its understandable why the term is always viewed critically, as well it should be.

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