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"My freedom doesnt end where your fear begins. Freedom is scary, deal with it." -- John H. Bryan
@freemo GB Shaw was often quoted as saying "Your freedom ends where my nose begins" -- perhaps he had a really long nose or he could sniff fear. Dunno.
@freemo Freedom is all about choice, granted. But if by exercising that freedom, you were to put others in real danger (where their fears may be quite justified), you just turn out to be a jerk in using your freedom.
@illandan Thats not what we are talking about. We are talking about fear, not "real dangder"... separate things. Putting people in real mortal danger is typically illegal (depending on the circumstances).
Hmm, I WAS talking about danger, specifically the threat of violence. The quote didn't really specify what caused that fear, so I didn't think it was true in this case.
I agree that some things that might get you scared aren't a reason to restrict someone else's freedom, but there are things that can get you scared that should. So the original quote just isn't true in all cases, It sounds good but it shaves a few too many corners.
It seems freedom from the threat of violence is included as a natural right (did some research), which makes sense to me. I you saying you don't think that is a natural right?
Well the point is the fear itself isnt what you have a right to be able to avoid... there are plenty of indirect things that cause fear you might have a right to not have in your world (in a fair world) but that is not the same as saying you have a right to not be exposed to things that scare you.
