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@freemo I am saying maintaining any amount of fat regardless of where it is carried. In caveman times one would do well to carry fat at all. If women were carrying enough fat to have their breasts as an impediment, they would be is such a nutritional advantage that fighting off unwanted advances would be with the upper hand. They would be more likely to be weak due to iron deficiency than caloric issues but that is a whole different book

@freemo the argument is not that lifting the breasts with a bra helps cog but that the weight of the hanging breast would displace the fat cells or cause elongation of the surrounding tissue thus lowering the cog

@freemo no higher cost than fat anywhere else but a high cost to maintain none the less. Again I thing the larger sizes such that back involvement is effected has more to do with diet and society

@crackurbones why? Whales belch and fart more CO2 than cows. What does a whale do to store CO2? Green things turn CO2 into o2 and sugar. But I don't think whales do much sequestration. But they do make more ambergris so bring it on!

@freemo but the fat itself has to be maintained at the rate of 3500 calories per pound.

@freemo I disagree with you on the bra thing. I also don't feel the breast size is necessarily all genetic, but more likely due to what we have done to our food supply and eating practices. I would say that in most cases I have seen women with large breasts that are carrying fat other places as well. Or they are surgically augmented.

@freemo I would be hard-pressed to believe this due to the nutritional requirement to maintain such breast size. In addition it gives the appearance of larger size giving a defensive purpose nor in similar to hackles on a dog. The presence of protrusive breasts and lack thereof do also indicate proper hormonal levels as evidenced by gynomastia in men, and precocious puberty in young girls. Perhaps the hormones we inject into our dairy and need may have more to do with large breasts sizes, not to mention general obesiry. Women do carry their fat deposits in different places than men so weight gain would certainly increase breast size.. not necessarily genetic other than the disposition of fat cells in such area likely to protect such glandular tissue as mammaries. Far itself being a storage of energy and nutrition can also aid in the production of milk even when lacking caloric intake.

@freemo one might argue that large breasts to the result of back problem may have more to do with artificially supporting them, as gravity would change their shape more quickly over time otherwise. Look at some of the other non-braziered cultures' images 'cultural nudity'. Other aspect of the back problems do come from social shame of the early bloomer modifying posture in youth to minimize the appearance.

@freemo to have color change serves no other purpose than to signal receptiveness that I can tell

@freemo they have other things like colors and sizes and ability to do feats such as sound creating by pecking, or croaking and so forth.

@freemo and what purpose do they serve on males?

@freemo each animal has its signals. Why couldn't they be unique for one species? Not all apes present color change in their buttocks. Why don't humans have working vomeronasal organs?

@freemo i have seen it argued that the shape mimics the buttocks, though most humans I've met don't present with inflamed red buttocks to signal estrus either. Too bad though, might have made high school dating less confusing.

@freemo I am not feeling that idea.. indication of. Excess fat, once again, needing to be above 17% would be a visible indication of fertility and healthfully nutritionned mate

@freemo I would argue that women have bulbous breasts, but not by engorgement unless they are lactating..

Perhaps, the appearance of pregnancy may be a visible proof of fertility, an as such appearances might take the place of estrus recognition.

@freemo okay and 0 is not prime

@freemo wow he does better than I do, I stand corrected.

@freemo chimps can't swim either because they don't carry enough body fat to be boyant :)

Human women can also choose to mate outside of estrus, and refuse to do so during estrus. That suggests that women are more evolved.

We don't process pheromones so either our instincts are towards estrus recognition may be why monogamy comes into play. Or perhaps polyamory depending how you might look at it.

@freemo okay, that was my question. My intuition says that it is so, and you say it is so, that is proof enough for me :)

@freemo is it required to follow a prime as part of the definition?