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15,281 people.

As of this morning, 15,281 people have died from COVID-19 since the CDC relaxed their mask guidance.

That's more than 500 people per day who thought they were safe, but died because the CDC gave them bad advice.

@Pat Well thats just bad statistics right there.

People were dying with masks too, to assume that 100% of people who died not wearing a mask would have lived with a mask is obviously debunked by historic figures that clearly show people still died who wore masks.

If you really want an accurate answer you have to look at the rate people were dying before the CDC mask mandate was lifted and after. Did it go up? By what amount? thats your real figure...

@Pat So off the cuff lets do some real numbers (im looking up the numbers as I write this so I dont know what the outcome will be)...

May 13th was the change from the CDC re: mask mandate. The 7 day moving average of COVID deaths right before the change in mandate was 622 people per day.

As of yesterday, June 10th, the death rate for covid has plummeted in less than a month to only 387 deaths per day.

So if anything the mask mandate being revoked **saved** lives, didnt cause them. Though to really verify this we would have to look at the effect of vaccines, so its not necessarily the masks are the causative agent. But thats the whole damn point of removing the mask mandate, with vaccines they are simply not needed anymore, and the numbers show this to be true.

What also is telling is that the rate of decline of COVID deaths actually **accelerated** significantly after the mask mandate was lifted. In other words, it doesnt appear to be decreasing just because of the vaccine, but by removing the mask mandate it may have actually **saved** lives directly, though again we would need more in depth data to really verify that. But as I've presented many times int he past the data is highly suggestive that mask mandates result in more deaths not fewer. So this certainly seems possible, if not likely.

@freemo @Pat there are no reliable COVID statistics. All statistics are fictional.

@crunklord420

Not true, but I have no interest in arguing conspiracy theory nonsense today.

@Pat

@crunklord420 @freemo @Pat The only statistic that matters is that George Floyd officially counts as a Covid death.
And that will never not be hilarious.

@freemo
Yes, I know that. The point is that with 50%+ of the population vaccinated, the rates should be falling drastically, but they aren't, because everyone who believed the CDC let down their guard and stop wearing masks and gathered without social distancing and now more people are dying because of it.

Also, what kind of fools stop fighting a war (or stop using their most effective weapons to date) while people are being killed at a rate of 500 people per day? That's insane.

People have died because of what they did.

@Pat

> The point is that with 50%+ of the population vaccinated, the rates should be falling drastically, but they aren't

But they are, a 62% drop in infection rate in less than a month 38% drop in death rate is absolutely huge.

You also fail to address the fact that the infection rate AND death rate dropped at a **faster** rate after the CDC announcement revoking the mask mandate than it did before.

> CDC let down their guard and stop wearing masks and gathered without social distancing and now more people are dying because of it.

The above data suggests not only is this untrue, but the exact opposite is true, that the CDC's choice has in fact saved lives, not taken it (or at the very least had no negative effect).

> Also, what kind of fools stop fighting a war (or stop using their most effective weapons to date) while people are being killed at a rate of 500 people per day? That's insane.

This isnt a war in the usual sense (obviously). The big difference here is that the people who die in a war are real time, when it comes to a virus there is a delayed effect. People will continue to die and be infected even once the war is won. In some cases the numbers can never be expected to reach 0.

To give you an idea at current numbers COVID deaths are only 3x higher than influenza deaths and still dropping rapidly. At the current rate within another month or two the death rate from covid should be no higher than that of influenza.

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The biggest take away from this is the death toll is going down **very** fast, and is going down **faster** since the mask mandate was rescinded... everything contradicts your fears and assertions stated here.

@Pat go read some actual studies on mask efficacy from the past 2 decades, there's like a hundred of them and they're out in the open.

Stop listening to lying corporate media and politicians. Science is about research and proof, it's not a cult of personalities.

@arashi @Pat or just vape through your mask, it's readily observable what affects it has much less for particle sizes like covid. This doesn't even get into the wisdom of trapping moisture and bacteria onto your face, people reusing masks, and constantly touching the masks. Masks are basically trying to stop piss by wearing a bathing suit.

@isol8

Cover you mouth when say that because you're spraying spit all over everyone...

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