Pat @Pat@qoto.org

@lucifargundam @freemo @icedquinn

>Are you not signed up for the platinum citizenship for cybernetic residents?

I guess I missed that one. Well, if we hit the transhumanist singularity before I kick the bucket, then I guess I have nothing to worry about. Not sure if I'll make that long.

@freemo @icedquinn

Not sure if I have 30-40 years, but okay.

@icedquinn @freemo

Are you referring to an topological vector space as a many-sorted structure?

@feminism

别忘了莱 Laika！

@freemo

Yeah, I don't completely understand myself. I think it's in the math.

Conceptually, it's like, if it's so big that you can't measure distance, then there is no distance. And if there is no distance, well, that's a singularity.

@freemo

Yes, Penrose's theory is about an open universe. (I didn't make that clear.) I.e., the universe keeps expanding so much that distance is no longer measurable, because no matter can interact with any other matter.

By some definitions, that's a singularity, which starts the whole big bang over again. And he says that there may be some radiation effect that can be detected in the next iteration -- we may be able to detect radiation in the CBR as evidence of the previous iteration.

CBR = Comic Background Radiation

@freemo

However, there are theories that predict the preservation of information from one iteration of a repeating universe to the next. Rodger Penrose has proposed that once the universe expands to the point where measuring distance and scale become impossible, then that state of the universe could be considered a singularity for that reason (absence of scale), and we may be able to detect radiation from a previous iteration of the universe, if that's how it iterates. It's a highly speculative theory, obviously.

@freemo

I'm familiar with the hologram theory (or theories). I don't think it applies to the collapse of the universe. It's a theory about black holes, which is different.

@freemo

When I used the term "sub-quantum" the other day, I was being facetious but I just searched and it turns out some folks are using the term legit.

I thought this out. If we're in an open universe, everything cools down to nothing and all information is lost. But if we're in a closed universe, it collapses to a singularity and all information is lost. So, either way, the program has got to stop at some point.

And if we ever figure out how to control time and run the program within a temporal loop, it still doesn't run forever, it just runs during the fixed amount of time in that temporal loop an infinite number of times.

There's no forever.

@freemo

That's a quantum computer, right?

@freemo

It's a #truthbetold

@freemo

Forever?

@freemo @khird

You got to read the fine print.

@freemo

As long as there's no 12-year-old kid flying from Charleston, NC to (New) York to meet his mother.

@freemo

Does that mean we need to start calling York, England "Old York".

#truthbetold

The truth is...

It's impossible to write a program in Pascal that will loop forever.

#Earth #forever #loop #universe
#pascal #computer #structured #programming #definitions
#context #perpetual #motion
#big #bang
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@lucifargundam @freemo

Yeah, I didn't explain it very well. It's funny because of the huge difference in locations.

@freemo

A couple of decades at least.

@freemo

He heard them announce "Last call for flight 123 to Auckland." So he got on the plane. Nobody noticed his ticket was for Oakland.

@freemo

Some years ago there was a 12 year old kid who was supposed to get on a flight from Los Angeles to Oakland, where his mother was going to meet him. Well, 18 hours later the Aussies were putting back on plane to California.

#Auckland #New #Zealand