Shamar @Shamar@qoto.org

@jasper @mookie

To me it sounds like a free adversarial network to IMPROVE facial recognition.

1943: Italian phrase book for American soldiers during the second World War.

"Damn kids. They're all alike."

"You may stop this individual,
but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike."

https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/31/21349920/twitter-hack-arrest-florida-teen-fbi-irs-secret-service

@rogue_tr00per

No really: I don't care about being or not being included among the lives that matter!

My life matter for the people I love. To me that's enough. 😉

I was just trying to explain why the argument of the meme fails short in Europe.

Most of us know that dialogue with people different from us is the only way to progress. And we know that usually, those who spread hate and fear (far right, far left, whatever) do not want to see problems solved, because their power comes from such problems.

@freemo

@rogue_tr00per

Maybe there is a language barrier at work.

Anyway, if you say to an European that "black lives matter", there is a very high probability you will get as a response something like "sure, obviously: all lives matters!".

That's because there is no STRUCTURAL racism here, but there are other forms of structural oppression at work.

If you don't care about such other form of oppression that are more common here (and are basically due to income and wealth), fine: your problem.

I was just trying to explain a cultural mismatch that usually cause hated misunderstandings... like you see in this conversation.

@freemo

@rogue_tr00per

Why are you attacking me?

Anyway I was talking about structural racism, "the system" in the meme.

We have racists even here but they are not taken much seriously from the vast majority of the population.

Racism here is just an excuse to get a little bit of power over a small minority of (sadly) ignorant people by spreading believes into simple solutions to complex problem.
In Italy for example we have a party, called Lega that now collect the vote of Italian racists, but years ago the same party was called Lega Nord and instead of migrants it directed hate and fear against Italians coming from the south of the country.

So it's overly simplistic to pretend we have the same issues people have in the States.

@freemo

@phryk

That's an American gentrification of #hacking.

The original meaning of #hack INCLUDED the violation of users' taboos that poor administrators relied upon as security features.

@rysiek

@rogue_tr00per

I'm Italian. 😉

@freemo

@freemo

I'm not a native English speaker, so sorry if this is a dumb question, but what's the difference between "every life matters" and "all lifes matter"? I mean I don't get why one could prefer one sentence to the other.

I think that one of the core issue of this phenomenon is that most of Americans (whatever their race) have no cue about how big and varied is the word.

Structural racism in 2020 is an USA issue. To European people, saying that "alm" or "elm" is a way to point to the our own inequality issues, that are not linked to race but to income. Here it's quite evident that dividing the poors into black, white and so on, is just helping the rich to further oppress them.
So when Europeans say that all lifes matter, they mean: oppressed do not divide among yourselves, but unite and fight together the oppressors!

@rogue_tr00per

I hate syntactic sugar.

🙂🙃😉

@zensaiyuki

Actually you don't need to think about alternative universes to meet non euclidean geometry: the Pythagorean theorem doesn't work over the Earth surface.

And you don't need to involve aliens: you can just think about dolphins, blind worms, flies or ants: different perception systems would lead to entirely different abstractions.

For sure writing can't capture tacit knowledge, but the programmed computers cannot either!

I wrote about this before https://medium.com/@giacomo_59737/the-delusions-of-neural-networks-f7085d47edb6 and https://medium.com/@giacomo_59737/yet-another-definition-of-intelligence-9bbaaa73086d

So if you want a dumb computer to do what you want, you can't use a language that leverage tacit knowledge that it lacks.

@natecull @icedquinn

@zensaiyuki

I don't see a single straight line in the images you shared. Even when they look straight (as with some cristals), they are not. And the truthness of Pythagorean theorem breaks on non euclidean spaces and below the Plank constant.

You see straight lines, triangles and so on just because you are abstracting on your perceptions. Which is fine, fun and useful, but abstractions are just in your mind. Since we are both humans, I can see them too. But I'm simply aware they are just constructs of our minds.
Different senses (perceprions) and brains and thus different evolutions would lead to completely different maths.

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As for the constraints that language pose on programming, yes I could agree that a different expression system would lead to different programs.

I play piano.

I guess that if I designed a programming system with a piano keyboard as the only possible input system, the programs I could invent would be very different from the ones I code in the several programming language I know.

BUT, the choice of language and writing to express programming was not driven by the available input devices, but by the available humans for whom such devices were built.

It's correlation, not causation.

Writing, so far, is the most ptecise and efficient way humans invented to comunicate asyncronously, as we do with the users when we write software that they run (or even just interact with).

@natecull @icedquinn