Shamar @Shamar@qoto.org

@phoe

As far as I can tell, there is an unsound logical step in this reasoning.

The freedom to #speak and the freedom to #ignore are both #individual freedoms: they counters one another and are so equivalent that they can both be contemporarily used in a community of #peers.

I totally agree that these are fundamental freedoms we should all learn to respect.

But then you add #trust to turn ONE of these freedoms to a form of #power: the freedom to ignore becomes freedom to mute.
Moreover such power is not over an individual, but over a community: when a moderator #censor a user, he doesn't just restrict the freedom to speech of such user, but he is also restricting the freedom to listen of ALL other users. AND by doing so, the moderator also restrict their freedom to ignore.
So such power over a community is never balanced with the freedoms of individuals.

To me, trust can justify power only if its scope is very well delimited and if its overly easy to clearly identify and instantly dethrone whoever abuse such power.
I'm not sure that EVERY
communication channel of GNU provides such guarantee.

Does gnu-MISC-discuss provide such clearly defined scope?

@AbbieNormal

@maupao

Il problema, a quanto ne so, è solo per l'interfaccia web.

Per cui la soluzione ideale è non usare il browser ma una delle applicazioni installabili: Jitsi Desktop o Jitsi Meet su Android (c'è anche su F-droid!) e iOS.

https://jitsi.org/downloads/

In alternativa, sul browser con #uMatrix installato e configurato correttamente si può comunque evitare di comunicare a Google le stanze cui si accede e con chi si parla.

@wikimediaitalia

@maupao

Scusa se sono noioso, ma attenzione ad usare #JitsiMeet senza #uMatrix.

Se hai un contatto con Matteo Ruffoni potresti suggerirgli di aggiungere qualche nota alla guida. Oppure di proporre l'applicazione invece dell'interfaccia web.

https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/issues/4590

@wikimediaitalia

@phoe

Sorry didn't intend to make you feel attacked. I've had a bad day in a bad period.

Also I've read your words in my reference framework, and that didn't helped either.

Yet, apparently our perspectives are very different, and assuming we are both in good faith, I wonder why and if we can learn something interesting from each other.

Since #freedom is the core value of #FreeSoftware (as defined by #Stallman and #GNU, not me: I think freedom is ancillary to #curiosity, but let's take this for a different debate 😉) freedom of expression and code freedoms are not orthogonal at all: software is a form of expression and we want to keep it free just like any other form.

Yet, if this is childish, I'd like to know what's the "adult" alternative.

And if they are orthogonal (of which I'm not convinced at all), I'd like to know the adult alternatives to each of them, to construct your ideal "adult" value system.

@AbbieNormal

@phoe

So basically you think #FreeSoftware (or #GNU?) was/has been/is childish.

Or maybe #Stallman is childish.

Or maybe #hackers are childish.

Let's assume you are right: what's the "adult" alternative? #LinuxFoundation? #Mozilla? #Google?

@AbbieNormal

@giorgiograppa@mastodont.cat

Alla fine, dopo due settimane di discussioni (non pubbliche) il Partito Pirata ne ha pubblicato una versione edulcorata (retrodatata, in modo che non si notasse il ritardo): https://www.partito-pirata.it/2019/09/abitua-tuo-figlio-alla-sorveglianza/

Un giorno scriverò qualcosa su quanto disgustosa sia stata la mia esperienza nel Partito Pirata italiano.

La cosa pazzesca è che ci sono molte persone in gamba che ruotano intorno al PP, totalmente ignare (o disinteressate) a ciò che sta diventando.

@ekaitz_zarraga

Congrats @ekaitz_zarraga!

🎉 🎉 🎉

Tonight I'll join the campaign too as I want to get a few phisical copies of the book.

I don't know Goteo: can I back your project multiple times to get both the English and the Spanish version of the books?

Learning #Finnish migh be an enlightening experience... 🤔

From ethics washing to ethics bashing: a view on tech ethics from within moral philosophy

https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3351095.3372860?download=true

A must-read.

#Philosophy #ethics #moral #moralism #EthicsWashing #EthicsBashing #Politics #Capitalism #market

I'm starting to think that #uMatrix is something that should be teached at school and distribued with every #browser.

https://github.com/gorhill/uMatrix

@grainloom

... and it shows it even if #JavaScript try to hide it... 😉

@wasamasa @polychrome