@freemo it was supposed to be an inciting comment to shore up anger about injustice happening. Not a reply or related to anything at all.
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/20/1164852475/supreme-court-navajo-nation-water-rights
So foolish, staying inside the concentration camp. Their own fault? Guarantees given might only be good with a gun to the head, right?
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Im confused what the issue is. I mean they dont have running water, that is of course a concern. But they are their own sovreign nation and seperate from the USA. That means if they want running water they are obligated to create their own infrastructure to do so. That means digging wells.
Which, they already do: https://watercode.navajo-nsn.gov/private_well_development.html
So im probably missing something here, sounds like their issue is with their own government not investing the money to build wells and bring drinking water to the people. Whats that have to do with our supreme court or the US's land? Why do they need access to that at all when they have access to ground water.
@freemo Hmm, i *might* have been misled here, but from what i heard there was a genocide and the survivors have been given a tiny bit of land and guaranteed water. Which is not being adhered to, as far as i hear?
To be clear: i have no issue with you, i just am pretty bummed by the global everyone-for-himself attitude. Making conversation in the face of destruction, not specific to you as a person.
I am not claiming to understand the situation, it was a genuine question.
Obviously as a native american myself the fact that we were genocided and mistreated isnt lost on me.
But they have access to water, ground water. Are you claiming the terms of the treaty was they would have justisdiction of the river? If so please share that and that would be enough info to convince me they have a right to it.
I know nothing about the details of the treaty that gave them the land. My assumption, and perhaps an incorrect one, is they were given a plot of land, that land has ground water on it so it includes access to water. Obviously the genocide was an injustice, where do you feel the resolution agreed upon, however, is not being honored?
@freemo I think this is about shifting climate, and missing access to water.
In any case, it is a bit funny to have the conquerors decide.
I shall remain vigilant and post any future articles i see to you. It was not so rare, so it should not take long until i see another.
@freemo Ah, so. I had seen multiple articles claiming navajo had no access to water.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/22/politics/supreme-court-navajo-nation-water/index.html
Are they ok?
No its correct that they have lack of access to water. But its important to note this is due to the negligence on the part of the Navajo nation, and not due to any misdeed of the USA.
As I showed, they have access to ground water and the government has a program in place to build wells. But their own government isnt carrying it out. So you should be outraged, but not at the USA, at the Navajo nation for not providing for their people when they could by not building enough wells or building up their infrastructure.
@freemo I see. Navajos are subhuman because they cannot even build wells. Well fuck them, not building enough wells. Fucking subhuman idiots deserve to die!
Thx for clearing that up!
Who said anything about them being subhuman... They absolutely could build wells and are capable... no one should be saying "fuck them" they should be saying "how dare the navajo government mistreat their people that way!"
@freemo You see, with all the "possibilities" you talk about - having the chance to realize those is not a given. Navajos is one, poor people is another. :-)
@admitsWrongIfProven They have a budget of about 2.7 billion for the 2024 fiscal year alone. If they spent lest money giving away free handouts to its people (which is quite generous actually) they would have had the money to build wells.
@freemo Well, we could build water supplies. Or walls. Our choice... or is it?
@freemo Funny thing is, about natives, they were beat in the war. They don't get to choose. Do we respect the power here? How much is your free will worth? Is it invalidated if you loose the war?
@admitsWrongIfProven Has absolutely nothing to do with the war. Has everything to do witht he fact that they waste their money on handouts rather than fixing problems. To give a people more when they already have enough and are just not using it properly will just enable them and not solve the problem.
@freemo You are talking about people that are confined to concentration camps. Are you absolutely sure that you want to say this in this way? Ignoring what problems are brought on by being confined in the camps? Are you really sure that this is what you want to say?
What? No they arent. They literally are allowed to leave their land any time and have all the rights of a citizen on USA soil... That is literally the exact opposite of a concentration camp.
@freemo So they have all the possibilities available to everyone else?
No, they have **more** opportunities. While they have all the benefits of a US citizen AND a Navajo citizen, in the USA others only have the rights as a US citizen and can not receive any of the benefits Navajo citizens can get.
@freemo And you reject the notion that connections and wealth enble personal progress?
Why should we have to build either? They have the money and access to their own water, they are their own nation now. Why should we have to build anything to benefit another nation that has the money and means to do it themselves?
Obviously if they were too poor I'd be all for helping, they they arent other than by choice because they give huge money handouts to people. If they want to thats fine, but dont go asking us for help when you've given all your taxes away to people rather than spending it to actual benefit people as you should on education and infrastructure.
@freemo If they were not poor and powerless, i would guess you would feel that by now. If you do not feel it, they probably are.
I intensely dislike people that impress their way upon others.
They can pick any way they want. As long as they dont demand others help them when they dont do it our way.
You cant do it your own way against someone elses advice then feel entitled to their help when you are in trouble.
To put numbers to it the Navajo nation has a population of 300 million, own land approximately the size of west virginia, and have a budget of 2.7 billion. Compare that to the similar sized west virginia that has a population of 1.8 million and a budget of 4.5 billion. That means Novajo nation has a budget of $6,750 per person per year, and west virginia has a budget of $2,500 per person per year.
So yea the Novajo nation has water, and has almost 3x more money per person than the same amount of land given to west Virginia.
@freemo Let me rephrase this: If a nation kills many, and then their supreme court decides the water supply is good enough, can the nation be ethical?
The nation was unethical due to the genocide regardless of if they provided a surplus of water or not... So the USa cant be ethical regardless of the water, and them not being ethical is unrelated to the fact that we arent providing them yet another source of water that they wont build the infrastructure to utilize.
Afterall even if we let them have access they would still have to build the infrastructure to collect it, which they have shown they would be negligent to do.
They already have water, they just dont have access to that water. So providing them another source of water they similar wont build access to wont fix that.
@admitsWrongIfProven You'd have to be more specific, and what this is related to (was it supposed to be a reply).