woah! octodon.social blocks fosstodon.org? (and blob.cat apparently)
That's kind of depressing, that was the first mastodon instance I joined.
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@swiley Its pretty absurd the levels blocking has gotten. Usually its done under threat as many people demand you block a laundry list of instances lest be blocked.. it snowballs quick where instances wind up blocking instances just not to get blocked by what few instances can still see them. Its why we are so resistance to going down that very slippery slope here.
It seems to be a pretty big portion, and sadly there are very few instances that have local moderation rules and a polite environment but themselves are not block happy. Its so rare in fact that its been the main attractive feature QOTO presents to new users in my expiernce.
bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
@freemo
> Its so rare in fact that its been the main attractive feature QOTO presents to new users in my expiernce.
it was one of the main reasons i've joined here. i have some years ago created an account at another server but never used it really.
when deciding to really invest some time into the fediverse, i looked at their block list, half of the blocks were because of "free speech". unsurprisingly, unsavory posts about right-wing people or the police were no problem on that instance. while any instance is free to block whomever they want to, it's a shame that so many people fall for the doublethink.
i get why people want a "safe haven" where they don't have to deal with ugly real life shit. a closed web forum might be better than a federated microblogging protocol for that though.
@bonifartius I am happy that you've found a home at QOTO. I think that there are always interesting perspectives there. But the only way to think that blocking "free speech" (and I'm reading that as racist/misogynist/homophobic) and allowing critiques of Nazis and police is doublethink is if you think silencing oppressors and oppressed is the same thing. And if so, that's a pretty sad and myopic world view.
- shitposter.club is listed blocked as "free speech". there may be edgy content there, but the blocking people act as if it's a pure nazi server. that's bullshit.
- i think that "silencing"/"deplatforming" or whatever one will call it is wrong. it's a broken strategy which doesn't work, it only has the potential to make things worse.
- to say nazis are bad but in essence doing the same thing, hating groups of people, is doublethink. i know that many hold a different view.
- I hate the word 'edgy.' It's a classic bullying technique to humiliate, then to accuse them of 'being overly-sensitive' and 'not taking a joke.' If you have to tell someone something is a joke, then it's a bad joke.
- I have another name for "silencing"/"deplatforming" It's shaming. It's what happens when everyone around you thinks you have shitty ideas. Change them.
- If you think censorship was the worst thing Nazis did I'd read a history book.
you seem to be assuming that i'm discussing things in bad faith. maybe things came around wrong because i'm no native speaker?
- i'm sorry that you hate "edgy", but i think it describes certain things very well. that said, as long as _someone_ finds it funny, it's a joke. it may be a bad, tasteless one, but it's a joke.
- shaming people also isn't good. either the topic is important to you, then you have the obligation to try to change the views you don't like _or_ you ignore them. deciding that for someone else isn't the thing to do. secondly, just because the majority thinks i have shitty ideas doesn't mean that the ideas are shitty. it's good if i reflect upon if they are good or shitty, then maybe change my opinion. i won't change my opinion because someone tells me to, it doesn't work that way.
- it might surprise you that i do very well know what the nazis did, we learn rather much about that in school here.
maybe i've expressed myself wrong. i said that hating groups is what nazis do. you shouldn't take offense if i say that hating groups is wrong, look at the history in general.
@bonifartius I didn't mean to suggest you were discussing things in bad faith. If I seemed curt it is because I haven't used @freemo's code and have a 500 character limit. But:
- I think many people who use the word 'edgy' are acting in bad faith. they use dark humor as a kind of shield to protect themselves from robbing other people of their humanity. Can you say that that hurt is worth one person thinking it's funny?
- Shaming can sometimes be the only tool we have. cont-
@mathlover @swiley
@bonifartius -cont
- And finally, it's not wrong to hate groups, or ideas. It's wrong to hate people. Blocking these folks blocks their groups or ideas. Gas chambers kill people for having different ideas. It's this violence against people that made them so bad.
thanks for the replies, i sometimes forget that not every instance allows large posts :)
- i understand your point regarding dark humor, but it's difficult to declare what's ok and what isn't. apart from some dadaist jokes, the majority of jokes are about things which _could_ hurt someone.
- i like to believe that discussing especially with people you don't agree can have very good results for everyone. just finding people who are able to do that is hard. telling someone "you are shit" isn't likely to change an opinion, that's why i don't like shaming.
- you can hate ideas, of couse! i'd say that hating groups is hating people though, and i'd _really_ like to see less of that.
