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Meanwhile in america...
Liberals are idealists. Doesn't matter if an idea works or kills millions. As long as it sounds poetic and righteous then they really dont care if it is effective.
Conservatives are quite the opposite. They care more about the end results than how good it sounds on paper. Their problem however is a complete inability to understand the data or interpret it objectively. No matter what the data actually says in their mind it always agrees with them.
@freemo I don't consider myself a liberal nor a conservative. I'm just a simple nationalist
@Saederup92 Generally nationalist is used to mean something quite horrible. Something akin to fascist. I presume that is not the way you mean it however.
@freemo @Saederup92 I sit quite gladly Center-Left. I like what I consider to be the common sense coming from that particular area in my local politics.
@Surasanji If the left-right spectrum were a numberline with far left being -10 and the far right being +10 then I would fall exactly at the square root of -1.
@freemo @Surasanji That's fine too. As long as mutual respect can exist, I see nothing wrong with leaning in different directions
@Saederup92 I think both the right and the left make valid points. I also find that since neither the right nor the left address the valid points of the other side neither is capable of coming up with reasonable solutions that address all the concerns.
@freemo @Surasanji Sadly both sides are sometimes way too busy making each other look bad to actually address anything important
@freemo @Saederup92 That is often why I sit fairly in the middle, albeit slightly to the left. I can hear both sides, and agree with points on each side.
But, for now, I have to live with a very conservative government who is ABSOLUTELY screwing the pooch. The far left would also be screwing said pooch. Poor pooch. :(
@Surasanji I can understand that. Though I personally feel the "lesser of two evils" mentality is the quickest way to ensure evil prevails.
@freemo @Surasanji That's why it baffels me how the US only has two major political parties
@Saederup92 The USA is a model of example of my concerns and the reason i have developed the stance I have.
In the end the truth is I have dealt with many very traumatic life long patterns that directly result from the insanity of the left and the right.
Which is why i have a house in the netherlands now and minimize my contact with the USA.
@freemo @Saederup92 I'm not suggesting the center is the lesser of two evils, at least not here in Israel. There are dozens of parties here, and there are some that are specifically in the center: Yesh Atid, for instance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yesh_Atid
Those are the guys I vote for.
@Surasanji @freemo At least we have more parties to pick from here than Americans have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Denmark
@Surasanji I was just thinking more from the USA terms where "left of center" means "I vote democrat but i disagree with most of what they say". I realize now in your case it probably means something very different.
@freemo @Saederup92 I can see that. We're both expats and left the US for very similar reasons. It's easy to fall into that frame of mind when speaking to someone you know is from the US. Happens to me all the time. :)
@Surasanji I have a bad habit of thinking anyone from the internet is american till I hear otherwise. Part of the reason I moved to mastodon is the lack of americans.
@freemo @Surasanji I've never been to the US but I've been to a few other European countries
@Saederup92 Best to stay away. America is good for two things: 1) making money and financial oppertunity. 2) delicious food that will kill you.
@freemo @Saederup92 Yeah, I hear that. Apart from Mastodon (And QOTO in particular) the vast majority of my internet interaction is with people from the US. I totally get it.
@Surasanji I often haf-joke on FB that they need to add an auto-block feature for americans :)
@Surasanji @freemo As a little off topic I've been on this instance for around an hour and I think it's more civil than .social
@Saederup92 @freemo Yeah, that's one thing I love about #QOTO . The entire idea is to teach other people and to ask questions about things.
Abuse is out of the question, though. Always.
@Surasanji Absolutely. Plus i find the environment is so nurturing of that that any true abusers are exceedingly rare. I cant remember the last time we had to block anyone for outright abuse. Usually a talking to does the trick if someone is getting feisty.
@Surasanji @freemo Poor pooch indeed. And Trump may not be the best president but he got elected after all. Plus who says the alternative would be a better option? 🤔
@freemo @Saederup92 I, too would like to think of myself as i.