Stole this one from @stux , felt it deserved its own toot. LOL We got this moron Donald Trump Going up against Mumbles McBiden, America doesnt stand a chance.

#uspol #Trump #Trump2020 #Election #Election2020

@zleap

Yea their god damn idiots. I provided a 9 point plan that would make sense and most people seem to agree with.. disbanding, thats the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

@stux

@freemo @zleap @stux Nobody needs your nine point plan, we can follow well studied community safety programs from all over the world. Of course the first thing you do is use all those cash for social and community safety programs

@penny

Sorry but I've read the defunding plan in detail and its the worse plan I've ever heard, and it wont ever get passed anyway.

Sorry but as someone who has lived in many countries and traveled to many more I've seen first hand what police forces and the community look like both in well funded and not so well funded police. I've seen well funded police that do their job well, I've seen poorly funded police that made me scared for my life.

Defunding is a naive and ignorant plan that wont work and just makes things worse.

@zleap @stux

@freemo @zleap @stux what plan have you read exactly

@penny

Would be to onumerous to list them all to be honest.

I've seen the official stuff put out by BLM, I've seen several writeups from BLM members and supporters adding their own take, I've read the history of Camden and their attempts and failures, etc.

You are the first person I ever met face to face who actually thought it would work mind you, most of what I read came from BLM leadership and supporters rather than from day to day people I meet, who all have been strongly against it as a plan

@zleap @stux

@freemo @zleap @stux Okay so you have no actual examples and nothing is going to the house and therefore "not going to pass" doesn't make sense, since it's still a local issue.

@penny

No I can provide you wish some examples if you wnat. I must have read 30 - 50 articles ont he topic at this point.

You really want me to just start linking you to every article I can find that I remember reading? I mean I can do that, but to what end?

@zleap @stux

@penny

Honestly at that point you can just google search it yourself at that point.

@zleap @stux

@freemo @zleap @stux You could definitely do this by bringing in a plan and saying what you think is wrong with it; but all of these plans are prototypes, and will need to be refined by people who have knowledge of this. We may need to bring in experts from other countries.

@penny

You cant refine a bad idea... Any solution that is "refined" by "experts" and actually works wont look anything like the defunding plans.

In fact most plans that will work might see certain aspects of police see less funding (like their weapons budget) overall any viable plan is likely to see increases in budget but in the right places (oversight, new laws, new agencies, body cams, pretty much the areas I listed in my 9 point plan).

@zleap @stux

@penny

Just to be clear as I am investing my time and energy into listening to you. Have you actually read my 9 point plan or did you just dismiss it out of hand?

@zleap @stux

@freemo @zleap @stux I did, it's uh. A bunch of halfhearted liberal mesaures I would vote for while campaigning for future abolishment

@penny

Alright your welcome to your opinion. I am glad you read it. I obviously think your wrong, but you are entitled to your opinion.

@zleap @stux

@freemo @zleap @stux the critical thing here is that when defunded, you shoud still have all the pieces of the Police. I don't need the sam organization that writes the paperwork for my insurance claims and takes noise complaints shouldn't be the same people who need to put their hands on people. They are too large as an institution to understand or control, they constantly undermine any laws made to control them

@penny

I am not necceseraly objecting to splitting up the police into seperate agencies. In fact in a lot of the USA we do that already in some minor ways. The police arent the ones who invest their time into writing parking tickets for example.

But again what it all comes down to for me is

1) Other places have not shown consistent success in this approach in the cases I know of it has either made matters worse or at best marginally better (and often didnt have the problems we had in the first place).

2) It simply is naive to and does not address the underlying issues. Which is that the people who are given the power to arrest others cover up their own mistakes and ultimately coordinate with the DA who has a conflict of interest when it comes to persecuting them as well.

On the flip side the countries I've been to with the most excellent police forces are often highly funded. Which demonstrates to me that funding is not the red pill it is made out to be.

@zleap @stux

@freemo @zleap @stux The best to you, a white person, who was just there. Give me the minority death numbers

@penny

Who are you talking about. I'm not a white person, I'm a Native American and frankly I'm insulted you would assume you have any clue what my race is without asking, let alone to use that as fodder against me.

Check your privilage. That is the first time you have said something out of line, normally I find you passionate thought respectful.

@zleap @stux

@freemo @zleap @stux Oh fuck off with that, no joke I'm from around Beaumont texas and my uncle is a Karanakawa Chief. I still look white to most people and therefore do experience white privlege.

@penny

Oh well if your uncle has some Native American blood in him thats totally the same thing. Come on now.

@zleap @stux

@freemo @zleap @stux my mom and my dad, with my mom being half native half second generation Italian.

@penny

Ok thats more fair at least, and if you have some native american blood in you, even if it were a small portion I'd never be so rude as to insist you are white.

Keep in mind there is a huge difference between calling me white and saying "people may mistake you for being white and thus treat you as white" the latter I wouldnt find as offense, I only found it as offensive to explicitly call me white.

@zleap @stux