@mur2501 For emphasis.

@freemo
Its a markdown syntax?

@mur2501 It is but that was posted in plain text mode so markdown wouldnt render. If it were posted in mark down mode it would have rendered as bold like this did.

@freemo
Ahh I see.
Thought Husky wasn’t rendering it

@mur2501 Sorry for the scare :)

@amerika He was having a bipolar episode and had called the hospital to have him taken to a mental institution at the time.

@freemo

OK, so first fact:

He's crazy.

Next, we have to realize that crazy people are dangerous. Their brains don't work right.

Then we have to ask: was he armed or acting in a threatening manner?

@amerika none of that was in question. No one is denying that he is "crazy" or even dangerous. The issue people have is that we pay these cops to deal with dangerous crazy people and we dont pay them to shoot them. the truth is there are crazy dangerous people in other countries all the time and more often than not the cops do their job and are able to (usually) subdue such people and they them the help they need. We expect the same from our cops. In fact many police in many nations dont even have guns to ensure that isnt even an option for them.

@freemo

That's nice, but in these areas, you need to be armed.

Try having a 1500 mile border with Mexico.

Even more, we DO pay these cops to shoot people who are threats to (1) cops (2) other people and (3) their own families.

There's not much you can do with crazy when it acts crazy and refuses to be arrested quietly.

@amerika I am pro-gun, I really dont care if people are armed.

You completely avoided the main point, in most countries a person like this would be subdued and in a mental hospital, more often than not they are not killed even if they are dangerous. In other countries cops actually put them selves at risk to save lives. Any other spin on this is rhetoric.

@freemo

Cops here put themselves at risk. They are dealing with highly violent, completely unpredictable people all day.

You know you can do ride-alongs, as a citizen?

@amerika I've been on ride-alongs.

You are still missing the point, when cops deal with the same sort of incident as the one we are describing, same risks, in other countries the end result is rarely to execute the person. So pointing out the american cops take on some risk, which is true, isnt particularly relevant to the point that they appear to reduce their risk by killing people where by in other countries in the same situation they would not.

@amerika @freemo controversial opinion: cops terminating crazy people when they’re acting crazy is actually not a bad thing and beneficial to collective society on a macro level since we got rid of giant sanitariums.

@kino

If you were talking about untreated diseases there might be a sliver of a point there. But we are talking about someone who could take a pill and be fine again, no need for a sanitorium long term after any initial treatment is employed.

@amerika

@freemo @kino

No, because of the golden rule of the insane: they always go off their meds.

@amerika

Clearly you have never worked much with people with mental disorders because thats a whole heap of ignorance and far from accurate.

The vast majority of people with mental disorders who can afford it and have the means tend to seek help and ultimately take what treatment works for them. Yes some people do go off their meds, but they are a minority.

Probably a classic case of ignorance coupled with the fact that your more likely to notice or remember the cases that go off their meds meanwhile those who actually take their meds you'd probably never even knew had a mental disorder to begin with.

@kino

@freemo @kino

OK, you're calling names and projecting now.

That's not very helpful. Want to try again?

@amerika

No one called you any names, what are you on about?

@kino

@kino @freemo

Arguably it is eugenics, but it also gets the crazies off the street, which is why ordinary people don't care about it.

They're either going into asylums for life or into the ground, if we want to protect our people, so it's six of one, half dozen of another!

@amerika

There is literally nothing in this response that lines up with reality.. Most ordinary people do tend to care about mental health, it is a big topic in america.

The idea that their options are an insane asylum for life or the ground is also completely disconnected with reality. The vast majority of people who need to be treated for a mental disorder go on to lead healthy lives, the ones who never really find an effective treatment and need to stay locked up for life are quite rare.

@kino