Just to give you an idea of how bad the whole "we block anyone who doesnt block who we block" has gotten, someone sent me this:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/74474015
I would **love** to give M.A a script that goes over all the instances in the fediverse and alerts them of every instance that doesnt follow the exact same block list as them and spit it out. I'm sure they will realize they have to block 99% of the fediverse... its getting laughable at this point.
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@freemo@qoto.org
@freemo at that point forget about federation and simply run an old fashioned forum.
@gpowerf yea, or just make it whitelist instead of blacklist (thats a feature) and create your own isolated clique.
@freemo It's Orwellian and Authortarian, exactly the thing most "progressives" say they hate. I don't get this instance thing when the tools to block entire instances are in the app, (web browser). Haven't checked to see if Fedilab has that option, but that's the way it should be done. Let the user decide!
@marathon0 @freemo - If you're trying to curate a safe space, you exactly *don't* want the user to decide because in deciding they have to hit something (maybe many things) that makes them feel unsafe.
The wisdom of increasing comfort rather than developing resilience is another matter, but it's self-consistent.
Also, the people I've talked to who are into this sort of thing mostly don't, when pressed, have much of a problem with authoritarianism-used-for-good or oversight-used-for-good. Benevolent dictators can be awesome, *if* you can guarantee benevolence. There can be some nasty differences between theory and practice regarding resolving that conditional, however.
If they want a safe space what are they doing on social media? FFS start a forum on the web don't join the Fedearated social web. It should mirror the world! It's also culturally insensitive. What one finds abhorrent in the so called western world, might not be in other cultures. So, leave it tp the user. Overly sensitive people maybe shouldn't be online.
I would say a safe space is when you can walk in and not be forced to gouge your eyes out. A safe space is having the option to hear and see what you want and be in control... loss of control is not a safe space.
@freemo wait, what?
@freemo I got nothing to do with this?
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@stux@mstdn.social @freemo@qoto.org I think it's about mastodon.social, not your instance
@freemo@qoto.org @stux@mstdn.social mastsn.io, not social 🤔
@Natsu_Kaze @freemo 😮 Can you not see this reply?
@freemo @stux I came over with a bunch of gamedev friends, so I think I'll stay for now because I generally like the community and vibe here, but thanks for running an actual free-speech server. I think letting the user decide is the best way to run things. 👍
I think I'll probably spin my own gamedev/art focused one at some point, too. 💪
@Natsu_Kaze @freemo @stux online freedom of speech is important because of spooks and oligarchs and whatever, but also because there are McDonald’s wagecucks and middle schoolers who want to spin up a discord server and wield their make-believe authority over strangers. On the internet, nobody knows you’re a dog… us actual humans need to make it clear that such petty, Reddit-brained, extremely online behavior isn’t acceptable.
@b_chocolatey @freemo @stux I wouldn't put it *exactly* like this, but I agree with your basic idea, yes. 😅
Free speech can be just as easily attacked by a loud, vocal, semi-anonymous minority as it can governments or rich people. I think it's important to go "no, I'm going to say what's in my head, go away if you don't like it" to unreasonable people. 👍
@Natsu_Kaze @freemo @stux I don’t have a SoundCloud… but follow me?
@Hyolobrika I dunno about your situation. All I know is I have never had a problem with them and I know the admin quite well (we have had beer and hung out before and plan to again, he lives near me)... in both cases I've never seen evenn a hint of an issue from him or his instance.
Sorry for the mass tag. Were you aware of this change? I was going to make sure but forgot.
@Hyolobrika @mattskala @Mek101 @neglesaks I never read the rules in the first place so I don't know if that's a change or not. ;) Adding pro-lifers to that list seems a bit of a stretch
@Hyolobrika @freemo > left-wing
Honestly most of these are just radlibs who seem to think that change comes when you have a good reputation in some circles and don't see the bad words
Appparently they think good people walking past a bad person hearing them shout bad things in the distance will make them convert to racism... I dont buy it.
@Hyolobrika @freemo barks loudly
@Hyolobrika @freemo @neglesaks So, I've checked the post (https://www.patreon.com/posts/74474015), but for the love of god I haven no idea who's the italian casapound entusiast they're talking about
@freemo I very much appreciate this logic. I'm glad I chose qoto.
@stux I assume you heard they blocked social because they dont block you?