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Just to give you an idea of how bad the whole "we block anyone who doesnt block who we block" has gotten, someone sent me this:

patreon.com/posts/74474015

I would **love** to give M.A a script that goes over all the instances in the fediverse and alerts them of every instance that doesnt follow the exact same block list as them and spit it out. I'm sure they will realize they have to block 99% of the fediverse... its getting laughable at this point.
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๐ŸŽ“ Doc Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ  
So someone messaged me privately and asked how absolute this is.. like would we block an instance calling for genocide. I feel my response is impor...
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@freemo at that point forget about federation and simply run an old fashioned forum.

@gpowerf yea, or just make it whitelist instead of blacklist (thats a feature) and create your own isolated clique.

@freemo It’s Orwellian and Authortarian, exactly the thing most “progressives” say they hate. I don’t get this instance thing when the tools to block entire instances are in the app, (web browser). Haven’t checked to see if Fedilab has that option, but that’s the way it should be done. Let the user decide!

@marathon0 @freemo - If you’re trying to curate a safe space, you exactly don’t want the user to decide because in deciding they have to hit something (maybe many things) that makes them feel unsafe.

The wisdom of increasing comfort rather than developing resilience is another matter, but it’s self-consistent.

Also, the people I’ve talked to who are into this sort of thing mostly don’t, when pressed, have much of a problem with authoritarianism-used-for-good or oversight-used-for-good. Benevolent dictators can be awesome, if you can guarantee benevolence. There can be some nasty differences between theory and practice regarding resolving that conditional, however.

@ichoran

If they want a safe space what are they doing on social media? FFS start a forum on the web don’t join the Fedearated social web. It should mirror the world! It’s also culturally insensitive. What one finds abhorrent in the so called western world, might not be in other cultures. So, leave it tp the user. Overly sensitive people maybe shouldn’t be online.

@freemo

@marathon0

I would say a safe space is when you can walk in and not be forced to gouge your eyes out. A safe space is having the option to hear and see what you want and be in control… loss of control is not a safe space.

@ichoran

@stux @freemo

Bonus - you dont need to go to them gym tonight because you already got the heart rate up

@selea @freemo Hahaha โœ… correct!

Plus keeping my eye on the servers also has that effect nowadays ๐Ÿ˜‡ :flan_hacker:

@sparkit @freemo Other article is mstdn.io and I think Jeffrey thought it was ours

@stux

No no it mentions mstdn.social... its says they are blocking mastadon.social because they dont block mstdn.social.

@sparkit

@freemo @stux @sparkit

the admin .io is having a hard time right now, they are currently going throu ALL of the past reports lol

@selea

Well good thing mastadon.art just blasted them all across the fediverse rather than being a god damn adult and having a conversation with him huh? What awesome people they are. :ablobblewobbleslow:

@stux @sparkit

@freemo @stux It looks like they are silencing mastodon.social, not blocking it. But the post mentions that that is because social federates with mstdn.io, not mstdn.social!!

@freemo @stux I don't know who stux is, but their account is apparently hidden by my server's moderator/admin, which makes me sad. I'd like to be able to just....block people I don't like personally? I don't need other people deciding who I should talk to.

@freemo @stux I came over with a bunch of gamedev friends, so I think I'll stay for now because I generally like the community and vibe here, but thanks for running an actual free-speech server. I think letting the user decide is the best way to run things. ๐Ÿ‘

I think I'll probably spin my own gamedev/art focused one at some point, too. ๐Ÿ’ช

@Natsu_Kaze @freemo @stux online freedom of speech is important because of spooks and oligarchs and whatever, but also because there are McDonaldโ€™s wagecucks and middle schoolers who want to spin up a discord server and wield their make-believe authority over strangers. On the internet, nobody knows youโ€™re a dogโ€ฆ us actual humans need to make it clear that such petty, Reddit-brained, extremely online behavior isnโ€™t acceptable.

@b_chocolatey @freemo @stux I wouldn't put it *exactly* like this, but I agree with your basic idea, yes. ๐Ÿ˜…

Free speech can be just as easily attacked by a loud, vocal, semi-anonymous minority as it can governments or rich people. I think it's important to go "no, I'm going to say what's in my head, go away if you don't like it" to unreasonable people. ๐Ÿ‘

@freemo Wait. m.a is now... third-degree guilt by association blocking..??
@freemo @freemo I'm confused about mstdn.io. They get blocked by all these left-wing instances, but when I got banned from there the admin added this in the rules:
>Racists, nazis, xenophobes, transphobes, complotists [conspiracy theorists], anti-vaxxers, pro-lifers etc are NOT welcome

@Hyolobrika I dunno about your situation. All I know is I have never had a problem with them and I know the admin quite well (we have had beer and hung out before and plan to again, he lives near me)... in both cases I've never seen evenn a hint of an issue from him or his instance.

@Mek101 @mattskala @neglesaks @sjb cc: @Mek101 @neglesaks @mattskala @sjb
Sorry for the mass tag. Were you aware of this change? I was going to make sure but forgot.

@Hyolobrika @mattskala @Mek101 @sjb

So, the SS of the fediverse are marching, eh?

I have difficulty wrapping my head around people having so little meaningful content in their lives that they have to not only actively look for trouble around them, but put so much effort into *destroying* communities and social cohesion.

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@Hyolobrika @mattskala @Mek101 @sjb Sorry, the SA of the fediverse
; they missed the anniversary of the Kristallnacht by one day, but apart from that, the behaviour matches that of politically motivated hoodlums.

@Hyolobrika @mattskala @Mek101 @neglesaks I never read the rules in the first place so I don't know if that's a change or not. ;) Adding pro-lifers to that list seems a bit of a stretch

@Hyolobrika @freemo > left-wing

Honestly most of these are just radlibs who seem to think that change comes when you have a good reputation in some circles and don't see the bad words

@moffintosh

Appparently they think good people walking past a bad person hearing them shout bad things in the distance will make them convert to racism... I dont buy it.

@Hyolobrika

@freemo @moffintosh @freemo @moffintosh I've been on the fedi for a few years now. Still don't judge people based on the colour of their skin.

@Hyolobrika @freemo @neglesaks So, I've checked the post (patreon.com/posts/74474015), but for the love of god I haven no idea who's the italian casapound entusiast they're talking about

@freemo I very much appreciate this logic. I'm glad I chose qoto.

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