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Listening to music I had a question I must get an answer to now....

Among professional musicians what sort of variation is there between the beats of the various players in a band.. in other words, just how good are the best humans at keeping in sync with each other.

It might have been answered before, and if so I hope I can find a study that explored this....

@freemo I suppose part of a response should incorporate how 'professional' the respondents should be. If you're looking for people who derive *all* their income from music performance / composition, then I'm not qualified. But I'll give you my take, having played with others for a good part of my adult life, usually for pay.

Timing is pretty much everything. It's foundational to producing something listenable, vs cacaphony. It's the first thing we're taught, for those who have taken lessons. After awhile, it becomes innate. We count not only the beats, but the rests between them. We may use slightly different techniques, and that's fine, as long as the intervals are adhered to.

This also varies a bit by type of music. For example, symphonic music is much more rigid than more modern forms. You have people adhering to an as-written standard for every note and rest on the page, led by a conductor (which is another whole conversation as to his / her role in an orchestra). The players do know the piece from memory, having practiced the 'repitoire' for years before they got to that major orchestra. And, yet, they still follow the conductor for basic timing. S/he may make an error, but they'll all make the error together. I'll say that in most cases, the average listener won't detect errors (and part of being a good musician is knowing how to cover them up!) But they occur in every performance (especially live.)

Continuing in a more modern vein, you'll sometimes hear about the interaction between bass and drums, for example. Those two set the foundation, the table -- for everyone else in the group, so if they're not in sync with one another, you have what we colloquially refer to as 'a bucket of shit'.

Now, within that construct, bass and drums don't have to play notes or rests in the same places, and the most interesting pieces, imo, occur when they don't (think jazz, as an example). But they'll always 'come back' and sync up with one another. Actually, the argument I'm making is that they were never truly *out* of sync; it just sounded like they were.

Finally (for this post), we'll talk about bass / drums a little more, where they can play 'on the beat', 'in front of the beat' or 'behind the beat'. This is more the job of the bassist, and all have their place in music. When the two of them are 'locked in' together, the best way I can describe it is magic. A good rhythm section can carry mediocre soloists; a bad one can't make a band sound great, no matter how talented the others are.

Does that start to get to the point of your question?

@TDL99 @freemo

I wrote a quick program recently to test this for myself (before I found others), but I wrote it in an interpreter that wasn't fast enough to discern human temporal acuity. Then I got bored and went on to something else. 🙂

@freemo I really dig @TDL99's response. I'm an armchair "I'm into lots of different stuff, nothing too deep" guy.

I watch RIck Beato, a former music producer as he discusses "what makes this song great?" or other various music related topics.

youtu.be/6IV29YNTH3M How Auto-Tune DESTROYED Popular Music is one such. This also relates to "beats." According to Beato, having the players not quite be on the same beat preserves the humanity of the work. The slight variance of timing, the "not quite 120 bpm" and so on reflect on the ears as, "this was made by humans, not machines." For Beato, one of the current trends of using digital tracks to force notes to be on a precise beat is sucking the humanity out of the work, and he will provide examples of really great songs, but the artist isn't *quite* on the beat... and in the process making the music more interesting, more emotional, more compelling.

Listen to youtube.com/watch?v=vZAkqukvfS and try to find the precision of beats. Everything isn't quite 100% locked into a beat, but DAMN the raw, naked emotion of the song comes out in just that tiny bit off. It's the room for the humanity to come through.

youtu.be/zTX1VyHiBJg with the Professor of Rock gives us the story by the drummer of how he screwed up the beat going into the song, "Low Rider." He kept going anyway, and everyone else jumped in like it was nothing KNOWING he screwed it up. And out of the screw-up came a great masterpiece. TDL99, despite being humbly "I'm not qualified" is WAY more qualified than I am. But between Rick Beato and Adam Reader of Professor of Rock, I get the idea "it depends," but also "using a machine to lock the beat suck the humanity out of the music."

For what it's worth. :) Thank you for this opportunity for me to share what I get to experience listening to these guys.

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