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I was thinking more about your idea of holding parents liable for their kids actions as a deterrant to scbool shootings
One big concern for that is, especially if applied more generally, would be a huge deterrant for parents to adopt problem children, which coukd have a devestating effect on how these kids grow up if all the most trouble prone kids never get adopted.
Thats ehy i said especially if its applied more generally... if my kid stealing a car means i get arrested for theft, that could be an issue
@freemo @realcaseyrollins I can see it then! Because I’d happily adopt a kid that’s liable to steal car, but not one that’s going to shoot me at night.
Yea, i hear ya. Fair.
@freemo @gpowerf @realcaseyrollins
Well, here parents are liable for their (underage) kids' actions too. Not jailtime, but more like financial and justice consequences. You can bet that the parents will be more strict to the problem child then.
@trinsec @gpowerf @realcaseyrollins
Financial.liability might make more sense, i woukd t support even that but its at least more reasonable.
@freemo @realcaseyrollins What if an element of negligence were required? I.e. if the kid got the gun from your unlocked safe, you're liable. If they got it from a friend, though, you couldn't know about it and wouldn't be liable.
That would seem to solve the adoption corollary.
@LouisIngenthron @realcaseyrollins
Yea if the parents were clesrly negligent they should be liabke regardless if its your kid. If inleave my gun in my backyard and a strangers kid picks it uo and shoots himself or someone else i shoukd be liable then too... the fact that it is **my** kid is kind of incidental.
@freemo @realcaseyrollins Fair. Then I understand your OP was about holding them responsible just for the familial relation? With no evidence of any crime or negligence committed by the parent?
That seems like a due process nightmare. But more importantly, I think it would act as the *opposite* of a deterrent. If rebellious kids knew they could commit a crime and get their parents jailed? Hoo boy.
@LouisIngenthron @realcaseyrollins
That was how inunderstood Casey's original proposal, yes. Basically to hold them accountabke for how thry raised their child basically.
@LouisIngenthron @realcaseyrollins
Also im not sure kids who are commiting crimes care much about wjat their parents think...
@freemo @realcaseyrollins In not sure. Because nobody really suspects that they are adopting a mass killer. It doesn’t matter how kind people are I don’t think they happily drive home with a kid who they suspect is a killer.