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@mandlebro A 50 cal would be fun.. the problem is im not sure I could ever find a place to shoot it.
@freemo I think you pretty much have to go to Nevada and shoot at a mountain on BLM land
@colinsmatt11 Fair, what sort of new-age weapon would you pick then?
@colinsmatt11 Good if a cyborg tries to mug you too :)
Explosives are good for almost anything.
@freemo FNX 45 Tactical and (not a rifle) but a Browning Citori in 20 Gauge.
@splitshockvirus The browning is a pretty sexy looking piece!
Yes over unders are gorgeous, Beretta also makes beautiful ones as well.
@splitshockvirus I wish i knew enough about shotguns to remember the model.. but I want one of those shotguns that holds several shells at once (not really sure how they work)
@freemo like multiple barrels or was it a bullpup shotgun?
@splitshockvirus Single barrel, multiple shots.. looked like some sort of a semi-automatic shotgun but like I said i dont really know. I think there might have been one in T2 movie.
@splitshockvirus@mstdn.starnix.network @freemo@qoto.org double internal mags, UTS-12 bullpup shotgun
@freemo If I had to pick I'd choose the AK-47 well-known for its' reliability and cheap berdan-primed ammunition. For a handgun I am thinking something reliable and also cost-effective on ammunition. I am thinking in the ballpark of a Smith & Wesson .40 S&W.
@Flatulenator Going the classic route, nothing wrong with that!
@freemo H&K G3A3 and a Beretta M92FS with the competition barrel and trigger.
I love precision but it's good to see what other countries can do.
@freemo Desert Eagle in all three calibres. Same frame, different uppers in a kit, all don't in nickel finish. For the rifle, a Barret I think.... not for practicality, but just the sheer joy of being able to reach out and touch someone from a mile or more away.
Now on a budget, useful weapons, not toys... I'm pretty happy with my Remington new army, 1858. I might like another, but with the 12 inch barrel in stainless, and the detachable stock. For a rifle, I am seriously thinking about that KelTek SU19 or the Henry A7. I like light weight collapsible weapons that can still do what they are meant to do. Something that you can pack.
@JonKramer Nice choices.. I was considering a Desert Eagle as well.
@freemo They have issues, misfeeds, very sensitive to exactly the right loads, etc. But amazingly accurate. I used to have much better eyesight, and there is no way I could do this today, but I put a 10 inch shot group in at 400yds (roughly) with the 357 and 8 inch barrel. Guys I was with thought I was lying... they couldn't see the target. I made them get it for me.
@freemo , so NOT a great weapon for self defense.... I doubt it didn't misfeed every other magazine.... Even with the best ammo.
@freemo @JonKramer It's a Blowback System so the barrel doesn't have to move around. It's really just Newtonian Physics.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. An object at rest tends to stay at rest until acted upon by an external force.
The large mass of the slide holds the chamber closed until the inertia overcomes the mass accelerating it rearward until it reaches the end of travel and the recoil spring sends it back to the closed position. The mass has to be calculated based on the round it fires. If the mass is too small, the chamber will open up before it is safe to do so and might cause injury.
Whether it's the simplest gas piston system is another topic. The only issue I've ever had with a blowback system is in a 22lr pistol. Lead subsonic ammo didn't cycle correctly. In a full sized rifle I've loaded 22 short, 22 long and 22LR in a stacked magazine. 22 short would cycle the bolt enough to chamber 22LR or 22L. I assume this was due to barrel length and the amount of pressure not being too far off to work. A surprisingly flexible system but it could have been the 22in barrel that helped balance the equation.
If a DE is not cycling properly it should be cleaned and inspected by a Gunsmith. It's likely that the round isn't powerful enough or the magazine isn't feeding correctly. In most semiautomatics and automatics, the magazine is going to be an issue. With the recoil energy of the DE, it's not surprising that it could cause a regular magazine to misfeed.
@freemo @JonKramer CORRECTION, it's not a blowback system but actually a gas system. That's odd, I could have sworn that it was a simple blowback system.
@AmpBenzScientist @freemo, the DE is a weird weapon. I was armament in the army, and although we didn't have manuals for the DE, our shop was full of fairly qualified guys. We futzed around with that thing for months, and never did get it perfect.
@JonKramer @freemo Maybe handloading is the answer. There's a lot that can be done with different powders and bullets. It's also the only real way to get some Mosins to be accurate. I preferred the Ruskie ammo but in the older rifles it wasn't uncommon for a good barrel to be around 0.311 instead of the expected 0.308. Handloaded ammo made the rifles consistently accurate.
Might as well invest in a reloading bench to help with the cycling. If it doesn't help for some reason, you would still have a reloading bench.
@AmpBenzScientist @freemo , if I ever get another DE, then ya, I will invest in a press. It's the only way to make ammo affordable!
@JonKramer @freemo
The Lee Classic is a good deal. The iron sights at 1,000 yards crowd used them. We are such disappointments and can never live up to them unless we also learn to omit important details.
@AmpBenzScientist @freemo , I wasn't planning on correcting you. I'm not THAT pedantic.
For anyone interested, here is a video of how the DE works. the part to note is watch the little bit behind the round, as it rotates as the round is fully in place. This is what makes the DE special. It just limits movement as you fire. Also, with some holes in the barrel, the weapon doesn't kick up very much, and it weighs about 3 tons, so the mass keeps it steady as you fire.
@AmpBenzScientist @freemo , here is a typical blowback system. You can see how the barrel moves around. This adds to inaccuracies, but is light and reliable. People end up adding all sorts of bushings and shims to the weapon to minimize how much and how the parts float around.
@JonKramer @freemo Oh that's the Browning Action. A Blowback System is used in the Makarov. The barrel is fixed to the frame and doesn't move. Everyone's favorite firearm company, Hi Point, made a 45acp rated for +P loads and a 10mm with this Simple Blowback.
I honestly thought that the DE used regular Blowback in 44mag without causing injuries. A gas piston and locking lugs make much more sense.
@AmpBenzScientist @freemo , my last two posts with the links to videos were meant for those who don't understand what we were talking about, not for you. Just trying to keep people up to speed with the discussion. You obviously knew the difference.
@JonKramer @freemo I'm a person on the internet who doesn't like Ruger.
@JonKramer @freemo That Browning Action becomes especially apparent when a pistol using it has seen a few thousand rounds. The High Power and 1911 use the regular system. I think Glock pistols and not horse semen use it too. The M9 series are a bit odd.
It's interesting to note how the AR-15 family was said to use Direct Impingement. Words suck sometimes. Schematics and patents are better.
It simply is what it is until it is something else.
@freemo With handgun, Iβm thinking Staccato P. With rifles, I think Iβd simply get a new barrel from Bartlein in 6.5 Creedmoor to replace my Tikka .308 barrel in my PRS bolt gun. And a JP5 pistol caliber carbine. And some high-end AR-15, no idea which - havenβt looked into them much yet.
@freemo If I was thinking pure vanity, it'd be a Barret 50 cal and a S&W 450 magnum as I have no need for the connective tissue in my shoulder and wrists.