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Donald Trump is in court again today, facing a civil trial that could cost him his business empire. Trump, his sons, and his company stand accused of falsely inflating property value prices in order to obtain favorable loans.
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@georgetakei Him loosing everything would make me happy.
I guess its a mental disorder to want evil cruel people to have the level of success they truely deserve.
Ahh right lets make up phrases that in no way resemble anything said and then put quotes around it so I can argue with it and make it look like im arguing with the person I quoted when in reality im just arguing with ghosts my imagination made up....
Carry on.
The reason he's in court is because The Oligarchy doesn't like him. It's been that way since 2016.
Whether you side with him or with them is kind of a personal decision, and who is really in the right or in the wrong is probably something we mere mortals will never know.
But lets not be silly and pretend like all these different court cases are being brought by completely different and unrelated people for entirely different reasons.
I mean sure, the oligarchy doesnt like him and im sure thats making it much worse on him...
But the fact that he is an evil, racist man who lies through his teeth and does illegal things at every turn might have a tiny bit to do with it too.
Did you deduce that from first principles, or did you fall asleep with the TV on and wake up knowing it ?
I have no access to TV or cable... so first principles is the only answer
They and their little "free trade agreements" turned vast swaths of America into an unlivable hell-scape the likes of which are not seen anywhere else in the world. Then you have 9/11, patriot act, and Bush's forever wars and dumping of heroin on the people, in addition to destroying America's credibility in the world by wanton embrace of torture.
I don't know how you measure "evil" but if it's by the amount of human suffering created, 1000 Trumps couldn't even hold a candle to what the Clinton or Bush families have been capable of.
No matter how bad the oliharchy is doesnt change how bad Trump is. Then you go on to talk about Bush and clinton... thats alot of words for "other things suck"... ok.. how does other things sucking have **any relevance to how much Trump sucks?
Now maybe your position is that they're all so deeply compromised that you don't really have an opinion about who is worse - and that's a position I can respect.
But when you SPECIFICALLY single out Trump, I can't help but think that you are in fact pro-Clinton/Bush oligarchy so I'm going to make you explain how you square your ethics with their crimes against humanity.
I didnt say your side points were important.. they may be very important tangents... but they dont change a damn thing about how much Donald is a piece of shit... It just means he is a piece of shit who pissed people off and people are out for blood. It also just means everyone else is also a piece of shit... again not changing the fact that so is Donald.
Who are you voting for ?
Thats like asking me who I vote for, a piece of cabbage in a comma, or a wet orange colored turd... Who cares, at that point id be doing a write in if those were my only choices.
If you're not willing to make an analysis of which is the lesser of two evils, then in general you will end up with the greater evil.
In the words of Joseph de Maistre, "In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." and a lot of what has befallen America over the past 50 years is indeed well deserved.
> So by writing in somebody who is obviously not going to win, you essentially choose to abstain. A LOT of people do this which is why voter turnout is so low.
No not necessarily. If enough people are upset by the choices and enough people write it in, it does become a valid vote (write ins are counted in many countries).
In any sensible country if you had two choices as evil as the ones we have right now everyone woul writein and we would have change... sadly we wont.
But your asking me "Do you choose guy one who will be evil to people or guy two".. yes every time my answer will be "I wont choose evil people, but I will be happy to fight int he civil war. Which is exactly what I'd say if my choice was Stalin or Hitler... if its Bush or Trump .. sadly i doubt there would be a civil war for that, but there should be.
what does "evil" mean to you? What is one thing Trump has done that makes him "evil"?
I have no problems with a write in myself. I am planning to either abstain or vote for AfroMan in 2024. I just think using adjectives like evil to describe him is caused by brainworms.
Trump has done a very many things that are evil... lying, explicitly trying to deny people access to his businesses for the color of their skin, mocking disabled people... The fact that you dont think he has ever been evil publicly (let alone non publicly) is shocking to say the least.
If you think making fun of a crippled person in a public setting when acting as president is "childish" to see as a form of evil then we are done talking.. I dont want to interact with anyone who thinks that is a morally good, rather than evil, expression.
* Wars engineered on false pretenses
* Genocide & holocaust
* Engineered famine / holodomor
* Human & child trafficking & slavery
And yet your conception of EVIL is a guy standing on a podium making fun of a crippled journalist.
Yes I know what you were saying...
> And yet your conception of EVIL is a guy standing on a podium making fun of a crippled journalist.
So other things existing int he world is evil makes mocking a crippled person not evil?
Sorry but with logic like that you dont get to say what is childish.
Mocking somebody on stage might be rude, it might be in bad taste, it might be offensive, but it's not evil.
When you begin instinctively reaching for the most extreme word you can find to describe everything you don't like, your words cease to mean anything at all.
This is endemic of the period we are living in, modern language is collapsing down into Nazis, and Literally Hitler, and Worst Thing Ever. As art becomes paint splatters, food becomes slop and academia becomes GPT-generated drivel.
> You are devaluing the meaning of the word Evil.
Why do people who always argue for Trump struggle so much with the idea that concepts exist on a scale, not simply are or arent.
Sayng there are greater evils that can exist is a piss poor (and childish) argument to try to make the case that something isnt evil.
I mean sure... he raped a few people, mocked a disabled person for being disabled, specifically denied work to people for being black... but you know, he didnt murder **everyone** he met, and some people do, so calling him evil would be devaluing the word evil....
::hard eye roll::
Right, cause how biden is around kids has anything at all to do with if Trump raped a woman or not... Even if Biden literally had an orgy with little kids it still would not have one iota of relevance to if Trump is an evil person or not.... get this Biden is evil too, doesnt change a damn thing about Trump.
I don't think trump has raped anyone. The era of me too has really lowered the bar for necessary evidence.
I do think based on my own eyes (and some alleged diary text from his daughter) that biden is a pervy dude (pedo Pete to his son apparently).
> I don't think trump has raped anyone. The era of me too has really lowered the bar for necessary evidence.
The reason i didnt list rape in my original examples isnt because it is less evil, but because the evidence is less direct and undeniable.. I mean he did rape that woman most likely, but i didnt want to waste time debating evidence.
The point is, you hardly need to recognize his rape to know he is evil.
Ok, back up your accusation... Name someone who is equally or more evil by my standard who I would support? Cause I cant think of one.
@thatguyoverthere @cjd @freemo @georgetakei Higher standard? How many people have you raped? If the number is lower than one (without going to jail), maybe you should not try to play in this kind of game. Sexual rape, murder by starvation, one of those for sure.. i agree on the "nearly everyone in congress", but why defend that orange thing you have nothing in common with? Or do you?
@thatguyoverthere @cjd @freemo @georgetakei Sorry for the long wait, here's my take:
While most politicians on a country level seem to be corrupt without fail in most countries, at least most try to hide it, indicating some sense of wrongdoing.
Trump specifically seemed very open, in sexist comments and quite open with his scams.
While criminal politicians are a danger, i find open lawlessness without punishment even more dangerous - it establishes that they can do whatever they want.
I notice similar here in germany, where they increasingly just shrug and go on when caught.
You can be mad that he says things out loud, but let's not pretend it isn't the same things many people think quietly to themselves or say to their friends when the camera isn't running. Personally I'd rather know the people in power are being honest about their beliefs (not saying trump is always honest just that complaining he is brash seems like you prefer the friendly lie over the painful truth). As far as crime goes I don't think he has been convicted of any crimes and I'm fairly any crimes he's been accused of in the media are hot air. Meanwhile our current president has conflicts of interest regarding Ukraine and China. He used his position to extort control over another country and bragged about it to the media. Everyone cheered. He has been lying to the public since the 80s when he claimed to have been much higher educated than he is. He is proud of his involvement in the PATRIOT ACT. The media is very careful to avoid the many land mines that biden had around him, but let's all talk about how trump allegedly said the n word in the 60s or 70s.
@thatguyoverthere Well, i can't speak to the details of the continuing american nightmare. Not enough focus on the topic to accurately rate which of the selfish leaders did how many crimes against humanity.
I mainly see the parallels in the emerging behaviour here compared to the trump style of "take no responsibility, just say the next thing". That's what bothers me most, that our politicians increasingly import that behaviour.
The fact that a large part of USA population think that it is fair to condemn Trump for sexual assault, given the proof on the trial, is not unrelated to the fact that a large part of USA population voted him. You had to be illogical in both the cases.
Trump has done more than enough evil that I hardly need a rape case to condemn him as evil.
@freemo I were not speaking about Trump, but about the stupidity of USA population, or of the USA system. @thatguyoverthere @cjd @georgetakei
@thatguyoverthere @cjd @freemo @georgetakei Your own eyes...? Trump has not...?
Dude, you're a pervert following him around! Stop raping Trump!
I always find it funny when people defend trump and the message has the word "Biden" in it more than "Trump" lolol
@thatguyoverthere @freemo Hmm, thinking around it, what he said sounded a lot more like following biden and his daughter around, ignoring trump.
Disinformation Purveyor: Who exactly do you view with your own eyes, and what is your exact fetish? Old grey dudes, old orange dudes, or do you look for the daughters?
I have seen many photos and videos of creepy uncle Joe (or as his son apparently calls him pedo Pete) sniffing little girls and being generally inappropriate around women in very public settings. Then you have Ashley Biden's diary where she talks about showers and other creepy shit.
The only reason I even bring it up is because it's more believable evidence of his perverse behavior than anything used to make trump out to be a sexual predator.
Really you can ignore all the sex stuff, and indication of bidens evil can be found in his Senate career. He is still proud to this day to have had a hand in the PATRIOT Act. That alone says he's a worse pick than Trump.
I said before it seems more appropriate to just say you think he's dumb. I think when you use words like evil to describe trump you sound like a main stream media spokes hole.
@freemo @cjd @georgetakei
> he raped a few people
As young as 12, allegedly, but you know, peer pressure can be tough, especially when you're trying to impress a cool guy like Jeffery Epstein.
But yeah, I would agree that the words have been devalued: when evil Nazis show up, everyone is afraid to refer to them as evil Nazis, we have to water down the language to things like "Alt Right" or "MAGA", despite the fact that they are clearly evil, and despite the fact that their "ideas" are Naziism.
I would tend to agree with you.. But in both directions.. Like for sure legit nazis (like actually wanting genocide and showing swastikas) are often called alt-right.. thats an understatement.
On the other hand, I've seen people called a nazi for simply having a nuanced criticism of the DNC... thats devaluing it in the other direction.
Took me a solid minute of watching thast before I even realized he was talking english :)
Have you seen biden around kids