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@FetidTrash I myself cant pick any of these options since I dont want either to win. But i intentionally picked these options so people will pick the closest one they like and be forced to pick a dichotomy.
@freemo I'd say there is so much possibility of major changes in the situation between now and then that it's fairly unpredictable at this point.
This is more than the usual situation of wondering if there will be a significant but unpredictable world event that will tip the scales, since at this point there are so many humans with the abilities to make choices that will directly impact the scales and strong incentives to make those decisions.
Interesting times.
55% biden.. you're living in your own kuku-lala-land...and so is he.
@mk kuku for wanting biden to win, or for thinking he will win?
I mean i think thinking he will win isnt that crazy, but I agree **wanting** him (or Trump) to win is certainly a bit kuuku
the current us government is a authoritarian, collectivist regime that recklessly forces their believe-system on dissidents.
@mk Oh so your issue isnt with biden but rather the whole governement, both left and right... yea sure i agree with your statement then.
"issue isnt with biden"
that man is a vegetable.. you can't even walk 5meters without beeing lost.
wtf are you talking about? of course he's not in charge. he's a sock-puppet.
Of course he is senile and dim witted. But you said your issue was with the currect government. That implies you meant everyone which is half dems and half gop.
my issue is the corrupt swamp that trump underestimated and failed to drain in 2016.
i hope he'll do a better job in 2024.
"Of course he is senile and dim witted."
then why the fuck would 55% of you readers vote for him? how retarded do you have to be?
ideocracy is literally a documentary because of retarded leftists like you.
You said like a fucking moron blaming me for the problems of the left for ::checks notes:: agreeing with you that biden is a senile ass.
The answer to this is important: Trump's unforced choices as to how he conducted himself turned off so much of the public that they'd rather vote for the senile and dim witted person heading the dystopian nightmare you described above.
The worse terms one uses to describe #Biden the worse that reflects on #Trump.
Describe Biden as bad as you'd like. It just means Trump's political strategy still managed to face losing to THAT again.
You can namecall voters all you want, but it doesn't change that reality.
I love how the crazies on the right sound exactly like the crazies on the left at this point. The left is on about their russian conspiracy and how it stole the election in Trumps favor, meanwhile the right has their own crazy conspiracy QAnon theory that the election was stolen for Biden.
It is almost indistinguishable at this point.
> The difference, of course, is that one side has mountains of evidence (that you'd never see if you only watch corporate media), and the other side has the fraudulent Steele Dossier. But hey, keep thinking they're somehow equivalent if it makes your feel better.
QED This is pretty much word for word what the left says too. I feel like if you were in a room with a leftie you two would just be completing each others sentences.
All I am hearing right now:
@SirBemrose as neither side is open to hearing each others' perspectives, they are functionally equivalent.
Oh the truth is on your side? That's nice. But your own claim to a highground doesn't actually move the ball.
At best you can feel smug about it, but then again, both sides are arriving at that same conclusion, ending in the same smugness that doesn't really matter to anyone not satisfied with narcissism.
"The left[..]russian conspiracy and how it stole the election in Trumps favor"
i'm getting confused..what's russia gate again? is it..
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1. ..the alleged russia-false-flag against the bidens? ..were the hunter-biden-laptop turned out to be authentic?
https://mastodon.satoshishop.de/@mk/111812935730646024
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2. ..or the trump/russia colution scandal. that turned out to be a hoax financed by Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign?
@SirBemrose imagine not realizing that claims of deepstate are thrown around to explain anything the claimer doesn't want to hear, to the point that apparently pretty much the whole country must be involved in that conspiracy, except that one person.
I guess they're just lonely?
Have you considered that when the public basically IS the deepstate, based on how vast the conspiracy claims must be, then the will of the public is the will of the deepstate, since they're the same people?
Now if you'll pardon me, I need to go laminate my deepstate membership card. The line at the deepstate coffee shop was too long this morning so I had to put it off.
"public basically IS the deepstate"
you're actually too dump to talk to.
"people voted for biden because of mkultra"
no. people voted for biden, because the propaganda media told them that trump is a racist, biggot, fascist.
..just like the do right now with any dissedent.
shocker: the media doesn't tell you the truth. billionairs like rupert murdoch controll the media as a personal tool to attack the opposition aka their enemies.
yes, when the states takes control over a news organisation or social network, then it becomes a organ of the government.
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no it's not mkultra, because that project ended in 1973.
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barack obama legalized psyops against american people in 2015 via executive order. that's totally fine, because they're the good guys..right?
@mk even if for the sake of argument we run with your claims of vast conspiracy, what Trump did wrong was to adopt strategies that played into those instead of countering them.
Great, the public is subject to vast amounts of social control? Well what Trump did wrong was in his failure to counter that.
"Trump did wrong was to adopt strategies that played into those instead of countering them."
please name 3 things...
@mk firstly, he failed to live up to his promise to end your vast conspiracy when he was in power.
Secondly, after that broken promise he made rude comments that gave the conspiracy extra fodder to work with. All his mean tweets. They confirmed the story being told by the conspiracy.
Thirdly, his losing efforts to challenge election proceedings in courts earned him no benefit but did play into the conspiracy's hands, giving them even more to say, "Look, we're right!"
I could go on and on, but the guy basically supported the conspiracy.
Wait, maybe Trump didn't actually do wrong, and his appearance as being such a loser and failure was actually an act because HE'S PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!
Woah.
"end your vast conspiracy"
"the conspiracy extra fodder"
"play into the conspiracy’s hands"
"supported the conspiracy"
"HE’S PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!"
bro..what conspiracy are you talking about?
and also.. fuck your feelings..what are you? a female?
"he made rude comments[..]All his mean tweets"
I'm referring to whatever conspiracy you want to be promoting today.
I don't figure you're going to be consistent about buying into any particular one.
@freemo I totally understand the choice you’re trying to get people to make. I wish there were a candidate I’d like to win but there’s definitely a candidate I particularly want to lose (I think Obama was the only presidential candidate that I affirmatively wanted to win rather than voting for someone because I wanted the other candidate to lose )
@Gbudd Honestly i feel like if your top priority isnt ensuring both loose then your doing it wrong. They both have such extremely over the top racist histories that i cant imagine being able to support either and still sleeping at night. But thats just me.
@freemo That’s not unreasonable in a vacuum. It’s certainly true that I wish I had somehow done something concrete to somehow meaningfully create a different alternative but at the moment what I’m capable of doing is voting for what I believe to be the less awful alternative. (I do spend a fair bit of time trying to improve my local world but it’s more about EMS than creating political change)
@Gbudd The lesser of two evils is fine if your picking between a salad and a burger. Not when your picking between two overtly racist candidates when you have at least 2 other choices on the ballot. Saying your voting for one racist because you hate some other racist that is running and refusing to vote for the two other non-racist good people is **not** picking the lesser of two evils, its literally just picking evil when you had non-evil choices.
@freemo That would be fine if we did ranked choice voting but today my meaningful choices are going to be between Biden and Trump. For me that’s not a close call, I’ll vote for Biden any day over Trump (with all respect to your first hand and well earned loathing of Biden).
I would really like ranked choice voting to take off so we could meaningfully vote for third-party candidates as our first choice but we’re not there yet
@Gbudd The only reason you have those two choices is because everyone in unison says what you say. Like somehow everyone recognizes there are 2 evils and then a bunch of not 2 evils, but we all agree those 2 evils are our only choice cause everyone else thinks it.
Its idiotic and just a shared delusion (not calling you an idiot, just the idea)
@freemo I agree that it’s a shared delusion (as are many things that make a society, like money for example). It’s definitely a system that keeps the two parties in power and that’s why they fight things like ranked choice voting.
@Gbudd What im gettign at is that while the system keeps 2 main parties,it doesnt dictate who those 2 main parties are. In the course of history in america a main party has bee replaced with a third party (and once that happens the old party never becomes a main party again) 8 times. In all examples the third party had <5% support the previous year jumping to majority support the next.
So by all means accept that 2 parties are likely to win. But also accept that who those two parties are can readily switch on a dime. So the logic fails that you know which 2 parties you should vote for. And logic dictates when you have to monumentally unqualified and racist candidates as your 2 party choices that this year, and the next few elections to come stand a very good chance of flipping who those parties are.
the system didn't support any parties. that's a lot of uh, corruptive influences that have gatekept it down to one party that larps as a duopoly.
@freemo It’s possible, but since the Bull Moose party in 1912 it doesn’t look like a third party has gotten a significant share of the vote and the Whigs appear to have disappeared in 1860 or so.
I’m seeing Kennedy, Stein, and West as third party candidates (with apologies to any I’m missing), I can’t say I’m affirmatively enthused about any of them. None of them are likely to crack 5% unless something dramatically changes.
In a normal year, where there were just two candidates that I didn’t like I’d be more inclined to vote third party (and I have in the past). For me (and speaking only for me) Biden / Trump is a choice between bad and catastrophic. My personal judgment is that I’d prefer bad over catastrophic but everyone gets to make that choice for themselves.
None of that is to tell anyone else what to do or how to vote, it’s just my thought process.
@Gbudd why does it matter if you wound up voting for the guy who got 60% 40% or 5% as long as it was the right person?
@freemo Practically there’s no difference who I vote for in NJ so I could always write someone in.
On the other hand, it’s arguable that that strategy in the aggregate gave us Bush 2 and Trump. Gore and Hillary Clinton should have just earned the majority outright but while it’s impossible to know what would have happened but I’d say that those two losses produced some pretty awful consequences.
@freemo I have no idea who will win now, I was just hoping for Vivek 😔
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@freemo both shit, but i do still think that the relative anti-interventionism of trump was good for the world as was talking with the "bad" countries like north korea.
@freemo where's the "fuck em both, let's riot!" choice?