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I wonder if democrats even realize that even if they are objectively the best choice, the overwhelming toxicity from that community to any level of criticism results in massive number of voters who are going to vote for trump purely as an emotional response to being mistreated by the community.. purely out of spite.
In fact at this point I think Democrats and the way they treat people is probably the only real reason Trump is part of the landscape at all.
@gabriel The more radicalized and abusive you are to people who are more moderate the more you are going to radicalize against you... people are emotional creatures, you being toxic towards someone for not being as radicalized to the left as you will ultimately just radicalize them to the right rather than being a moderate leftie. Do it enough and people support Trump purely as a hate-response to how they have been mistreated.
@freemo Yes, thank you. A lot of people see things like those idiots throwing soup at the Mona Lisa, and other idiots defending Hamas, and just want to take the opposite side from that.
A reporter did visit both Trump and Biden rallies during 2020. The Biden people were nasty and hostile once you disagreed with them, while the Trump people were more friendly.
I'm not sure why people are so scared of Trump becoming a dictator. He couldn't even choose a yes-man veep. He's bad at picking people.
@mike805 I would say in the current cycle of hate the left is clearly the less tolerant to discuss, but the right is less tolerant not to discuss. The left will crank the toxicity up to 11 the second you want to discuss any nuance beyond the party line or the script... But the right is the opposite. If you dontfeel like talking about their conspiracy of the day they get triggered by the silence.
@freemo That's interesting, I never thought of it that way. There are definitely crazies on the Right.They feel like there is a conspiracy of silence against them. That is why they are more willing to debate, they feel like just getting heard is a victory for them.
While the Left's positions don't stand up to debate very well, so they rage when challenged.
I often wonder, is the rage real or performative? Have they just learned that throwing a tantrum will get them the candy bar?
@freemo The question nobody is asking is WHY are a lot of the Democrats so nasty and hostile? The behavior of both the radical trans and the pro-Hamas factions, the way they go into a physical rage when someone questions them, looks almost like demonic possession. Where does that fury come from?
@mike805 I dunno about "radical trans" whatever that is...
But its the same as with wars. They are radicalized and extreme, and that comes fromt eh same treatment they received, it goes in cycles and every cycle strengthens the other side rather than weakening it like you intend.
The right has given rise to the radical left, which in turn has radicalized the right, which in turn further radicalized the left.
Its very much a two way street. I just happen to be calling out one side right now, dont think for a second the other side is exempt.
@volkris @freemo If someone ever comes in and provides a place to focus their rebellion, then things will get interesting, in the Chinese curse sense.
Right now nobody has a viable vision of the future. Some have an imaginary past they want back. If a leader could provide a vision of the future he could kick over this hollow and rotten system.
Yes we shouldnt just be outraged at democrats for burning houses and businesses to the ground... we should also be outraged that Trump wanted to enforce the law and make it so people couldnt burn down houses and buisinesses... truely him wanting to stop innocent people from being burned out of their homes and businesses is the most evil thing he ever did.
LOL come on. Trump is super evil and there is PLENTY to dislike about him... But when cities like mine were literally on fire (for a week the skys were black from the smoke) him wanting people to be held accountable for their violence is probably the lowest priority in the least of reasons to be outraged at Trump.
@freemo @volkris The part I was outraged about was his orders not being followed. I can see that my original statement was ambiguous. Any President has the duty to put that sort of thing down.
If Trump tried and his orders were refused, then the bureaucracy committed a crime. If Trump did not use all the executive authority at his disposal because he was worried about the optics, then Trump committed a crime.
The National Guard should have gone in.
@mike805 frankly, I think we should all see that and promote it as a sign of how ineffective Trump was as president.
There is no such thing as the permanent bureaucracy. The entire executive branch serves under the president, and the president can change it if the president knows how.
#trump
just didn’t know how, and he shows no signs of having learned since.
So all of this blame legally and philosophically rests on Trump’s shoulders, and whether you want to vote for the guy or not, we need to be clear about that.
We absolutely cannot let Trump get away with making excuses like we have seen so many on the right making lately.
@volkris @freemo That I agree with. I'm not sure how Trump ran his businesses without them getting looted by corrupt underlings, but Trump absolutely SUCKED at picking people. When he did replace agency heads who were obviously undermining him, he got worse people to replace them with.
He also had a bad habit of initially saying the right thing, but then backing off in response to media criticism.
Trump watched TV, that was one big problem he had.
White knighting is definately a huge element here. That is a bit of a left narrative. Tehy are taught how there is so much injustice in the world… and there is, lots, but its exagerated beyond the already high point it is at to the point where the left thinks its literally everywhere.
So they have this sense of white knighting and championing the cause. But then when they struggle to find anything as bad as they imagined they instead need to turn every little moderate offense into being the worse thing since the Nazis… this hyperbole combined with actively seeking things to white knight results in a lot of misplaced toxicity for sure.
@freemo yep.
It's the old internet adage don't feed the trolls.
Trump was on his way out of the limelight and into history until Democrats started renewing the attention and supporting his rhetoric by the way they acted.
@volkris That too... if they had just never uttered his name again he would have been a distant memory.
@freemo@qoto.org
In fact at this point I think Democrats and the way they treat people is probably the only real reason Trump is part of the landscape at all.
I could believe it.