🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@amerika

> We have scientific proof of the genetic basis of intelligence.

At no point did I suggest there is no genetic basis to intelligence. I stated there is no genetic basis for being poor, and that poor is not determined primarily by intelligence.

Considering your response suggests low intelligence, as you didnt understand what I said, sounds like you need to be gassed. I'm willing to use you as the test subject for your proposed solution.

@louis

@amerika

> No, they're likely genetic in nature. Poor = dumber, generally.

No basis in reality for that what soever. People with low IQ generally can learn all sorts of high skilled labour jobs and make money just fine. The vast majority of the poor tend to be veterans who have severe mental health issues arrising from lack of mental health access combined with abuse expiernced during their service. Again something you wont see in countries that treat their people better and provide good vet services and mental health access.

Im not saying you should be concerned with europe. The point is societies change, and american can change in ways that would stop poor people from being an issue because it isnt a genetic problem to begin with but a societal one.

Its like sitting there punching people in the face and then when they start to flinch trying to blame genetic and then thinking if you kill off all the people that flinch then you wont have people flinching anymore.

Frankly, its a pretty idiotic viewpoint.

@louis

@amerika

Well no you can argue against it. When you gas the poor, since being poor is not unlinked from the environment you arent producing less poor people since society changes.

For example someone might be poor int he USA but that same person if they were in europe might not be poor, because the kind of person they are would thrive in one environment but not the other.

One could just as easily (and wrongly) argue that if you gas all the rich you will make society better because the poor people would now be able to thrive and become the rich themselves, and create an environment where poor people thrive and thus are eliminated.

The truth is, breeding doesnt work like that. You can breed specific traits that are easily measures (like height) but complex things like being poor you cant just breed out by directly killing the poor, you'd have to understand the underlying problems and fix those, which are unlikely to be genetic in nature.

@louis

@amerika

One thing i realize about this discussion, and I may do a write up, is how people, most people in fact, cant really see the world in absolute terms, only in relative terms. Like if the democrats were acting this way 20 years ago when republicans were actually acting somewhat rational I bet even your most staunch democrat would say the democrats have went completely radical and were acting like lunatics. But when it sits next tot he republicans who are just as loony they seem reasonable and normal.

The fact that most people base what is acceptable based on relativity to the norm, rather than an absolute sense of reason is scary, and perhaps one of our biggest flaws.

(note: no offense to Louis, while he may have resembled some of that here generally he is a pretty reasonable and respectable feller).

@louis

Man showering feels sooooo nice. I have to wonder, did we evolve to feel this way or did the first prehistoric human to use soap and water feel this good.

@louis

Close, its actually being what most people delude themselves into thinking they are. Much like a good person, everyone thinks their one, very few people actually are. Doesnt mean demanding someone be a good person is unreasonable.

@louis

Moderate doesnt mean taking radical views from both sides and having a mix and match of radicalism... You dont become moderate because you support slavery AND communism at the same time. Moderates are people where all their views are balanced and well reasoned, considering nuance and argument from both sides, and generally means your stance is one that is in disagreement with both sides, finding the non-radical moderate reasonable solutions down the line.

@louis For each individual candidate all but one party will be toothless, but sure across all of congress thats different, i generally find it best when congress is republican and presidents are democrat, but that was back when republicans and democrats werent radical... now having either in control, or shared control, is a garunteed end of the USA.

Unless we break the two-party habit, which we wont, no matter how the next election goes america has about a decade left before civil war. That is being generous.

As far as I'm concerned you have two choices, support one of the two main parties and lots of people die and the USA collapses, or somehow we break the two-party myth and start fixing shit.

@louis As far as im concerned all but one party is toothless in any year.

@louis

And im saying that people thought he was bad because he of many reasons including his pro-segregation stance, his barrage of racist comments, and his radical nature... he was bad because he was radical (not a moderate).

@louis

No they are trying to dismantle it their way rather than his... Which I will admit is marginally better as it isnt full on dictatorship just yet, but its literally one foot over the line.

Thankfully I dont buy the two-party myth so I have non-radical choices.

@louis

> As long as we have a pro-dictatorship party and an anti-dictatorship party, the choice for every American should be clear.

Only if you buy the two party myth, which most people do, which is exactly why he won once at all.

But the point is when you have a pro-dictatorship party and a slight less pro-dictatorship party (dems arent actively going for dictatorship but they are extremely fascist and a step away) then you just have two extremely radical parties with one slightly more radical than the other.

@louis

> You are literally the only person I know who thinks Biden wasn't a moderate.

Thats funny because while online few people would agree with me in person almost everyone i met said they hated him but those who supported him just hated him less than trump and thought he was one of our worst canddidates.

My maid, who obviously isnt rich or anything, who is a black woman, actually just brought it up today. I generally dont talk politics but she brought up the whole racist thing and how he set black people back decades. In fact I dont personally know a single black person who didnt think he was a racist radical ass, its just that most of them voted for him because Trump is even more of a racist ass. I dont think I ever met a single black person in person who didnt think he was radical... seriously.

That said I dont expect people around me to represent the whole

@louis

> Yeah, I don't agree with that assessment. The Dem party certainly has some radical elements, but describing their core party platform or the majority of their members as radical does not seem to be supported by reality.

To be clear it is NOT their "core party platform", ie their core values, as stated that are radical. They are largely reasaonable even if i disagree with some of it.

The problem is the members, both voters and candidates, have become absolute lunatics, this is **contrary** to their core values if anything. Thats my point, the dems that actually stick to the party's stated values **must** disagree with the majority of the party that has become completely radicalized.

> The Republican platform is currently "let's dismantle the government and constitution in the name of efficiency for our god-king"

They certainly have, and that is why I claim they are radicalized, among other reasons. On the republican side, this time around he is very clearly trained and targeting dictatorship... last time he was just a fool with delusions of granduer. Frankly even the democrats arent seeing the moves it seems. Musk's mass email was an attempt to catalog all federal employees, identify political enemies, and eliminate them. The system is designed that the president does NOT have a list of all employees, he couldnt even send out the mass email directly.

It is right out of Hitler's playbook with one to one matching of events.

False flag: Reichstag fire -> Trump attempted assassination

Removing political enemies: Communists being arrested -> Musk's mass email and control over judicial branch

Disarming the populace: Verordnung gegen den Waffenbesitz der Juden -> Trumps gun restraining order

> the Democrat platform is an incredibly meek "no, please stop, maybe, sir?"

We just had 4 years of a president whose career was entirely motivated by keeping segregation alive. They literally just had the only possible politican more racist than Trump himself.

Not to mention the riots and violence I witnessed... meek is far from the truth, they were radical **first** and managed to radicalize trump supports in response and this is why it turned into this. They just got out radicalized by Trump and their whole response is "clearly we werent radical enough".