🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

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They would stand a chance IF the 2nd amendment was upheld in its original form.

Originally the 2nd amendment included canons, automatic weapons (Which had existed for 73 years prior to the 3nd amendment), and even entire war ships. All legal under the 2nd Amendment.

Assuming the 2nd amendment was actually upheld then not l only would the citizens stand a chance against the military they would BE the military, just as well equipped and just as equally able to defend.

Thats the whole point, the anti-gun lobbyist are the ones who created the situation where the american people are defenseless against its government in the first place. They are also the ones then arguing that that very disadvantage they caused is the reason why they should be ok suffering an even greater disadvantage. The logic fails on so many levels.

@snder @a7

@honigdachse @snder Yea the suicide could have been prevented in some cases. But ultimately having the right to self determination also means having the right to choose if you wish to seek therapy first or skip right to suicide. While I think it is foolish to skip right to suicide it is still their right.

As for the other people who died from guns for other reasons. That is very tragic. What about them exactly? Are you asking me if its sad people died or something more specific. It is most certainly sad.

@snder
Individuals dont choose, the masses do. Unfortunately the masses are quite poor at choosing governments worthy of being trusted.

@a7 @yuduki

@camedei456
I am anti Israel (the government) I am pro-jew (the racial identity).

@yuduki @a7 @snder @1iceloops123

@honigdachse
The right to suicide is a natural and illaniable right as far as I'm concerned. While I do think we should strive to provide mental health facilities and other means to help encourage people not to choose suicide, in the end that is their right, as is everyones right to self determination. As such I see this as an argument FOR guns not against it. If it provides a more effective means of suicide than drinking bleech and perhaps a means that is less traumatic to the person attempting it then by all means, they have that right, as sad as i t might be.

@snder

@yuduki

How ya figure. I've never heard anyone make such an over the top disgusting comment as that, to actually want Hitler to win and think that would be better.

I do hope I misunderstood you but it sounded like just some overtly racist idiocy there. Please prove me wrong

@a7 @snder

@snder I love the netherlands and its people. But there are american ideals I also agree with. PErsonally I'd love a country that was a hybrid of the two. but that doesnt exist

@snder YeaI agree that would be a huge leap forward for sure. As long as any licensing is not reverse searchable I see no reason to be against it.

I could think of one exception where it may cause an issue. A woman who is a rape risk due to an ex abusive or otherwise. She may be in immediate danger and may not have the time to get licensed first. Sadly we dont have a police force that we could rely on to actually stay at the womans house with her so what other option would there be?

@snder I took some basic gun safety courses and read up on it. It wasnt mandatory though. but most shops that sell it to you even though it isnt required make it a point to walk you through all the safety concerns if its your first gun. Not as good as a roper course, but it does help.

I use it mostly for sport, sharp shooting and the like. If i ever would need it I would use it for self defense but I dont particularly feel like I need a gun for that that 99% of the time.

@snder I'm not saying the checks should be more strict. In fact im against stricter checks in terms of background checks. The idea of licensing would be such that ANYONE capable of passing the course would be allowed a license and under no circumstances should someone be denied it if they take the course and pass.

@snder I own an AR-15 at my american home. So I obviously have made my decision on the issue already. But only after a great deal of research and soul searching ont he topic.

@snder
The samelogic applied. Keep the power with the people not the government.

I agree witht he general idea of the ammendment though i word it a bit different. In my view any weaponry permited to be used by the government on its own populace should be freely available to that same populace.

The governments of the world have no demonstrated that they are worthy of the trust that is involved in being superiorly armed over its people.

@a7

@snder
We dont block any instances and im able to see a7's toots in general. Weird.

@a7

@snder by the way sorry for the last paragraph it is a bit insulting. I wouldnt have worded it that way if it wasnt originally a general post. To you specifically i would have worded it more respectfully.

@snder

I think you meant this as a reply? It looks like a regular post. I cant see what your responding to.

@a7

@snder The issue is only partly related to "how easy" it is to get. While i do agree america should have some mandatory non-reverse search licensing system thats only a small part of the puzzle.

@snder Well let me answer your question by copy and pasting a post I made 2 hours ago. I dont normally do this but it responds perfectly to your question of "how often does the netherlands have mass shootings":

After the country made vaccines illegal vaccine related death declined. In fact if you compare all countries where vaccines are illegal you will find vaccine related death is almost non existent. But in other countries where vaccines are legal vaccine related death is in the hundreds every year. I think this clearly shows why vaccines kill and should be made illegal.

This is what people who are anti-gun sound like. Do they even realize how absurd and how much lack of understanding they have when it comes to interpreting data and statistics?

@snder What wouldnt have happened? People have been murdering each other en masse for many thousands of years before guns were even evented.

@snder More guns arent the solution, neither are less guns.

One anecdotal interesting fact (not a real point here).. the only time ive been anywhere near a mass shooting was int he Netherlands. In my 30+ years in america one never happened in my town before.

But to answer your question it really depends on how we frame the question. But there are many reasons why, at least in theory, more guns could be better, and many reasons why it could be worse. The real question we should be asking ourselves is: what does the data say?

@cwebber@octodon.social I wasnt trying to get into a debate, just wanted to understand your use and reasoning.

I tend to lean towards agreeing with you, I personally dont like the idea of cultural or racial nationalism. But I also grew up in america where there is no single racial identity. To some extent I could understand if africans wanted to preserve their culture just as i do when Dutch people make similar claims.

Point is while i side with you and personally prefer open borders, I can see the counter argument and im not sure its as evil as people claim. At least, when it is done in a non-racist way (there is a racist variant that is appalling).