🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@chris

So maybe we were talking over eachother then, because this is what I was saying, ultimately musk jsut forwarded it to each department head, and this was disseminated through lists, he did not have their emails directly or even their identities.

So back to my original point, the department head is the one in control of those lists, they are operated by their department. Ultimately if they refuse the order as the department head, they simply would not allow it to go out on the list in the first place. None of the employees in that department would get the email, and musk would have no idea who to fire as he doesnt have their direct emails or even identities, only the department head has that.

Like I said, the government is compartmentalized.

@adam

@chris I would have been glad for that as well, as always. Though as you can see from this post after calling my friend in IT and doing some further research it seems I was correct afterall:

https://qoto.org/@freemo/114077599767555260

@chris Ok so just called my friend who works in IT still, he said I was correct. The HR email was the source but it was sent to the department heads, who then disseminated it through the various department lists. The reason the email shows the email in the screenshot is because it is the "reply-to" address and not the from address.

I did some digging to try to find a screenshot of this and I found one, attached you can see the HR email but being routed through a list.

So my original point stands, he did not directly email them and did not even have their emails to be able to, he forwarded it to each department/organization head, disseminated it **through** them, but the reply-to is direct back to him.

The real scary part about this is it would allow elon to harvest the identity and email of government employees he wouldnt usually have access to (exemplified by this very process).

@chris Ill check with my connections and see if i can get a screenshot. You could be right. But if that is the case he would miss the overwhelming majority of federal employees, and maybe that is the case.

@chris And thus why you cant rely on media as a source of fact.

The process was elon mailed each department head, and then the department heads had to pass on those emails. The emails federal employees got was largely (with a few exceptions) from their boss on behalf of elon and not directly from Elon.

Again actually working in government (or in my case still having those connections) makes that obvious, he wouldnt even have it.

Attached is an example of what that email looks like, notice who it is from.

@antifaintl

@chris

Still makes no sense.. the boss needs to send them the email to begin with, and even if musk somehow got it directly the boss is control of the email so can block any outgoing email to musk quite easily. So not sure how that makes any sense.

Moreover, its not like trump even has access to all their names and emails, the government is specifically designed so he doesnt for exactly this reason (I speak as someone who worked in the IT of government agency and know first hand). Compartmentalization is why even the president isnt privy to top secret information he doesnt have an explicit need to know on, as an example.

@yafa

@chris The pro-trumper doesnt have a choice, the boss controls their email, and their email. The boss can both 1) not pass on the request from musk at all and 2) block any outgoing emails to respond even if musk directly sent them an email somehow.

Again it works cause it is universal. Your boss in charge controls your email always.

@chris The pro-trumper doesnt have a choice, the boss controls their email, and their email. The boss can both 1) not pass on the request from musk at all and 2) block any outgoing emails to respond even if musk directly sent them an email somehow.

Again it works cause it is universal. Your boss in charge controls your email always.

@chris Huh, how ya figure. You said he wanted to fire anti-trump people. If the War department refuses to respond and the 50% of his supporters that are there are fired along with the 50% against him, and there is no war department left, how does that work in his favor?

@chris Which is exactly why the directives need to be department wide not to respond. If trump wants to fire them it would need to be the entire agency collectively pro and antitrump combined.

@pgcd

Simply false. Lightening rods prevent lightening. More of them prevent more of it. It is entirely preventable just like gun violence is preventable with proper investment in mental health infrastructure, education, and economy. And just as measles are preventable with vaccines.

@Impish4249@mastodon.social @AlexanderVI

@Nicovel0 @AlexanderVI

Huh? Who said anything like that? If your gonna try to be toxic at least try and be relevant to the convo, it works better.

@pgcd @Impish4249@mastodon.social @AlexanderVI

All of those examples are preventable, and when did I say they weren't or shouldn't be prevented. In fact it's so easy to prevent by simply having good access to mental health it is crazy we haven't bothered to prevent it and should.

What I pointed out is that if it is something you live in fear of, like being struck by lightening, then that is simply an irrational fear due to its extreme rarity.

@j_bertolotti @AlexanderVI

I didn't make anything happen, reality did that, I'm just pointing it out. And no, it isn't almost as common as being struck by lightening, not even close, lightening is 2x MORE common.

@Nicovel0 @AlexanderVI

And yes school shootings are absolutely preventable I agree. By having reasonable access to mental health it can be easily avoided and we absolutely should. I never said it shouldn't be avoided only that focusing on it as a point of fear, given its extreme rarity is silly

@Nicovel0 @AlexanderVI

When did I say anything about the mortality with regards to lightening. Read what I said before "calling bullshit". I compared being **struck** by lightening (since it's a well known extremely rare event). Said nothing about being killed by it