🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

The scary part is this would be more sane than half his comments.

@chris @adam

You seem to be missing the main point... no one, not even the president has the ability to email everyone. The system is designed to prevent this exact thing. So there intentionally is no account that has any way, signed or not, to do this.. it **must** be passed on by department heads through these gateways manually, this is an intentional security feature and there is no account that can bypass it

The government is compartmentalized as a feature.

@chris

Again, worked there, not how it works. As I said it doesnt matter if its "signed" and "encrypted".. **all** external emails need admin approval, there is no signing and encrypting to bypass this.

@adam

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@chris

They are automatic, but not just anyone can email to them. If your email address is in the organization it willr elay automatically. If it is not, then it gets flagged for approval by the admins and must be allowed into the system.

Absolutely no one has the ability to auto-email every single federal employee, that would be an absolutely gross violation of security. The systems ultimately are gatekept for that very reason and external emails must have admin approval to get relayed.

@adam

@chris

So maybe we were talking over eachother then, because this is what I was saying, ultimately musk jsut forwarded it to each department head, and this was disseminated through lists, he did not have their emails directly or even their identities.

So back to my original point, the department head is the one in control of those lists, they are operated by their department. Ultimately if they refuse the order as the department head, they simply would not allow it to go out on the list in the first place. None of the employees in that department would get the email, and musk would have no idea who to fire as he doesnt have their direct emails or even identities, only the department head has that.

Like I said, the government is compartmentalized.

@adam

@chris I would have been glad for that as well, as always. Though as you can see from this post after calling my friend in IT and doing some further research it seems I was correct afterall:

https://qoto.org/@freemo/114077599767555260

@chris Ok so just called my friend who works in IT still, he said I was correct. The HR email was the source but it was sent to the department heads, who then disseminated it through the various department lists. The reason the email shows the email in the screenshot is because it is the "reply-to" address and not the from address.

I did some digging to try to find a screenshot of this and I found one, attached you can see the HR email but being routed through a list.

So my original point stands, he did not directly email them and did not even have their emails to be able to, he forwarded it to each department/organization head, disseminated it **through** them, but the reply-to is direct back to him.

The real scary part about this is it would allow elon to harvest the identity and email of government employees he wouldnt usually have access to (exemplified by this very process).

@chris Ill check with my connections and see if i can get a screenshot. You could be right. But if that is the case he would miss the overwhelming majority of federal employees, and maybe that is the case.

@chris And thus why you cant rely on media as a source of fact.

The process was elon mailed each department head, and then the department heads had to pass on those emails. The emails federal employees got was largely (with a few exceptions) from their boss on behalf of elon and not directly from Elon.

Again actually working in government (or in my case still having those connections) makes that obvious, he wouldnt even have it.

Attached is an example of what that email looks like, notice who it is from.

@antifaintl

@chris

Still makes no sense.. the boss needs to send them the email to begin with, and even if musk somehow got it directly the boss is control of the email so can block any outgoing email to musk quite easily. So not sure how that makes any sense.

Moreover, its not like trump even has access to all their names and emails, the government is specifically designed so he doesnt for exactly this reason (I speak as someone who worked in the IT of government agency and know first hand). Compartmentalization is why even the president isnt privy to top secret information he doesnt have an explicit need to know on, as an example.

@yafa

@chris The pro-trumper doesnt have a choice, the boss controls their email, and their email. The boss can both 1) not pass on the request from musk at all and 2) block any outgoing emails to respond even if musk directly sent them an email somehow.

Again it works cause it is universal. Your boss in charge controls your email always.