@freemo @invidious
I know you do well - and what I'm suggesting is this "better social" showing how to do logic better (which some you do already in post) but with a few spread that, allow me / them to train others to do better in their own lives and give their own feedback and suggestion as a more dedicated thing.

If humanity has to copy to the next generation / pass things on then show to better in that sense... and do it better this way moer accessible daily / weekly (while people live in the current status quo and do this in between)

But I don't mean mostly in that monetary way to help as you mention (again I assume you did more, but things needs less focus on money and more things like logic and finding people similar to work with as social itself more often). It like we have a platform but not many can actual do social / socialise or know how and want a place often where it's said to be the place rather than me trying to email the whole Fediverse and finding it's all lacking and quite empty after a few good comments.

Nor do I think those #monetary ways and people want to #help people #riseup to #equalise things (hence #power / #money / #regulations itself in the first (which can have 1/10th sense to 'protect' people but 9/10th abuse of it).

I guess #police is the epitome of all this protection (and now all combined as #ACAB - ALL COMPUTERS ARE BASTARDS) with #AI or whatever spices of your choice to "boost" all the rest of what's mentions for even more death and damage to humans - just that bit faster.

Honestly all this is turning out to be giving people a bucket with a hole in it just to get them to run and do things faster for them while never really solving things for the people really.

Quite clever actually as it keeps 'motivation' in people to keep running for water like a house is on fire (the planet) and seemingly provides food while the animal doesn't realise that the planet being set alight and "invisible hand(s)" are taking from it's buckets and financial accounts and public pots all the meanwhile. Seemingly no dead bodies just a merry-go-round of crisis.

Importantly it's not directly stealing from your account (reloaning it) or physically challenging you the animal so that one day you have enough to duke it out. You don't see it so might not think there are people wasting your money (from your #account or as #tax)

Just maintaining a passive steal, siphoning, charging, regular #rugpulls, changing of #goalposts, "regulating" competition, changing things in background like a bad man-made cruel person that only makes sense unless you like that kind of stuff and one of them, changing values and words for profit and if you count #paying more each #generation #iteration as a success for yourself or #humanity.

Arbitrary uncaring power-play by those that gamble that others can't get their shit together to find some equally consistent defence (more than working more and paying more!!).

This is part of you quest / all our #responsibility.

Probably money is one of the things to sort out in life as it's constantly #undermining us and we almost forgot it's a #manmade thing.

All these rugpull type things, takeovers, changing equations, double-speak / false representation by bad managers / gamblers / leaders etc... enough let's #DIY Do It Ourselves (everyone else but them types).

Money is evidently to keep people broken in many ways while seemingly just keeping them alive in the body / physical sense mostly (not mind).

Sorry Freemo I'd like a yes or no on the above rant to save it coming up again if you really don't see it the same...

Money is made just for paying them now more than ever and only for more profit as the biggest damage and priority to suck dry EVERYTHING without mercy (including us sub-hired to do it or just from wanting to eat).

The value on people's bodies is also closer to breaking point everywhere too as people themselves are becoming unwanted extra things and meaningless - so that's also how we onboard people somewhat, at least for their mind and if they are specialist snipers to use it for better things, but keep another active social eco-system going collecting mass.

All the other areas of life really suffer, instead of really giving / growing / paying it forward to people without adding big costs, having it paid already, taxing for profit, adding more conditions and hoops, and buying extra more yachts for each banker wanker$ pictured spending it all away.

So yes your examples are quite valid / great - while being totally misguided for anything other than more of the same bad 'help' / bad circle if mostly in monetary field - It might be nobody ever framed it that way or your logic system is still in the belief of numbers and not seeing behind the curtain / under the hood.

If you can't see that state is giving and keeping people on bad drugs to just for itself and to hide symptoms instead of looking and facing societal causes and try not to profit from it... then it's it's hard for me to say much more due to how clever you are but it's EASY to fall into the man-made money container constantly evolved (devolving perhaps as new kind of #enshitification / evolution of dishonesty)

We see and hear from people even if they have a job and everything. Still complains (even if people are naturally unsatifyable), just lack of care everywhere and depression / disconnection / exhausted condition .

People are cornered and reduced to cutting themselves with each new #news from #leaders like #Trump (but could be whoever actually - the point is not to follow that and make more strong trust between us).

People are hanging out at hashtag #Trump as we speak dumping even their spare time instead of using that same virtue-signal time to actually make friends from everyone and find do with anyone willing.
I think is our opportunity and it needs a bigger person as front shop / wedge / wave starter etc.

Instead of focusing and acting as repeaters for the leaders (even on #Mastodon) to help others make it happen for themselves (doesn't need you always)... to make better attention and work for ourselves slowly but surely... but adjusted along the way or collected from our moans to do better.

Existing life we have to grow out of in mind and body - Agree?

I mean #growth of our #mind too / creating our own #culture as #QOTO to see how it goes even as an #experiment... (I did ask that as a question as "why not" towards the end of last message but "time" is only the answer for those that don't want to accommodate it as there is enough time and space if added / incremented)

Maybe you're in a classical kind of "give money" dude and want to "guide them to get out of problems" without realising now it's still low chance anyway since everything is being reduced, cut off, devalued, limited, bought out, automated (just whatever too many things) etc and their same mentality helps stop people rise up too at the same time as they need 'willing' workers to take their crappy jobs.

Do you agree that state doesn't really want to help and have healthy people ? Just wants drones, like male bees for humans working to do ITS work using fairly primitive mentality

So money is the lesser answer in all this thinking or getting homeless a job (apart from immediate relief but quickly dips again).

The competition and population is just too much like trying to swim against the tide and not much at the other side once you get there anyway. Money is not a great measurement of success when uncaring cruel parents (called state) starve people in various ways - and ask people to fight for them by fighting / subjecting each other / not finding another way like asking and accommodating us.

We're up against a colder darker force of rolling mentality over the years freemo. It's also followed by the good but hopeless / aimless folk that follow of the (#cheating) system for food (also getting increasingly crap) and they also think it's giving to them overall... still not seeing housing prices skyrocket or other inequalities drastically knowing down ANY "wealth" (should just call it #numbers actually as some of it is only purely numbers and not real earthly things of representation).

If you don't think systems is #cheating us out of life itself on many levels and fronts please stop me front trying RIGHT NOW !

Seriously if people can't agree that - then I'm done needing to say more...

Just save me the effort and type "I don't think the $tate is cheating us in a major way
and I'll respect you said it.

So money is not the only way or even the main way out of this initial body survival in the mind - it's a mind / friendship / world thing while integrating everything else from existing and amalgamating it.

Does there seem any doubt in that?

I feel like you don't get that or can't accept it's not about money as the main aim - like a hole in the bucket given to save someone - they can't really save themselves - you'd never have imagined that a bank would do that but it's as real as much as banks want to 'give' you money as a loan or as real as internet and cloud turning out to be for data siphoning and collection more than anything.

It's all disabling our ability to rise out of it and equalize wealth, power etc and now shutting things down quicker than ever.

You have to realise ALL money now embedded more tricks than ever / contaminated #authority / cheapens itself as it's re-loaned behind our back daily and acts like it's own #trojanhorse / #rugpull to self as an advanced mouse trap and collection of techniques developed over time...
Tech Math Social Science Tax - All of it. It's why all states copy and subject their civilizations under it - it's the ultimate all-in-one economic tool (economics means war on others using your captured people. Those kinds of people only that see it that way and see people only as extractional numbers to squeeze out of more each year and cheat out of their pension which is a cruel joke at old age to gamble for that).

"Breaking their legs to then sell them crutches" ... (it's not #cooperation with state, we're running scared)

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I do 100% hear and know you do help... but it's not just #financial #measurement at the end (at all)...
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Money will be part of it since we are born into it but not IT as the answer itself since that was deliberate-#sabotage-by-design
- it's about hearing and filtering people and our problems towards personal / #social #change with less need for those bad things and sharing more often (or whatever more than walking into a #bank / #casino which takes back more and expecting good things to happen)...

When we *all* do more *people investment* more often as social and micro-social investment then we improve communication and everything else and ourselves with the right others (through another version of ourself almost)
This is the real work eventually.

Like what you do with smaller adjustments of people's comments but towards something at the end and providing more things for people to do make it working together / a #visionary putting 2 or more people's work together or introducing ways asking them to #cooperate or get things done of a people type to help them mentally (which in turn get other things done).

Purification (without sounding airy fairy) but imagine how filtering and preparing material (or people) is better somehow (even if not sure what it's for and can't label it because it can have lots of ways of labeling it / multiple projects)

A bit like how turbos work putting air back into to itself to re-use it and propel itself faster ... that's what we need for our personal lives and works... to get best out of them...

Don't measure as money and look as the other stuff being cut out needs processing again and evolving out of it via mind and this personal and societal change.

It's not a overnight "conversion" but healing happens CONSISTENTLY over time and like a forum or crowd very useful
(with more active people going around helping each table). Visually this table example is a lot better to see meeting people is good / asking for what you need / offering what you'd like to give...

People don't know how to socialise.

I'm accepting money exists and want to promote putting back what has been the cutting out of emotions and expression across the board and what we can put back in meaning in our daily lives (and therefore future, today) by increasingly heading back that way with better containers (like friendship, advice, experience, love, respect, planet, land etc)...

But needs incrementing and a kind of figurehead a bit on the ship ... similar to what you do in your replies but somehow more a dedicated place and daily thing... with more around doing that... noticeboard, wishlist style...

I really like you taking on homeless, paying for things etc... but that's not what I'm talking about.

It's the talking it out between us on Fediverse or few clever and helping in the asking / giving / needs / #wishlist to build each other up in fragments or confidence we don't have.

Like what's the point of me doing anything when there's literally nobody good to do it for?

So people are narrow like that in business containers so then what do we expect, caring techies ? They are over-focused in 1 field.
So all of us can cross-pollinate and branch fields a bit more while helping in our own field like in a #dojo we know but looser #daily with everyone and pick up on their #ideas / #struggles for some things to #increment...

You can't do anything much with money and it's more about people. Hard for people to get that perhaps because that's exactly what systems cut out - but once you realise it I think listening to all in a deliberate way helps decentralize even that which people feel stuck in their own world (and even dismiss their own fears or whatever needs coming out from lack of other outlet and then really let things fly when realising exactly what they need to do or haven't been doing). That's really golden part more than money.

Picture is not the best but has some truth to it and anyway when managed by uncaring people, even straight numbers and equations would be bad.
#FreeSchool

@freemo @invidious@social.tchncs.de Greatest #money and #truth post on #Fediverse right now is here (if you click this post),

Explaining money 'system' as a scam basically and the underlying cause for everything - wouldn't you know ? (The actual unfairness itself is money - hmmm).

Might not be the most technical sounding... but say it's wrong if really you believe it!

Read and Reply
Bookmark and forget !

Consider replying if you don't get parts or can't believe it

The rest is history... if we can understand how things don't work for us and use the wrong people...

Consider how money is actually given like a big hole in your bucket for you to carry like water pay like leaking bucket everywhere while you don't see it and being #mispent by banks.

Otherwise why give it to people?
Why could banks in 70's give it interest free to other countries and still accumulate power?

(ANSWER: Because they get MUCH MORE back and have a 'system' in various way #debt or #extraction / costs through usage).

To such an extent now it's giving banks excessive power more than ever to contribute to other problems in the world in multiple ways *everywhere*.

Not just their virtual re-loaning ability and risk-taking of savings (loaning more than they have often behind your back) but doing deals in a #gambling / #betting #system essentially !

Gambling life away!

Really is core to almost all problems and not only in the wrongful #future loaning but directly #funding #wars

All bank$ I think have some part in that 'game'.

#Banks funding #war and profitable #crisis ? Surely they not

Could be why some old folks might have kept money under their mattress in the past because it was that better than bad banks having it and spinning the same loan shark type games fuelling uncaring people causing / funding both sides of #war

Suddenly it's not your money all along but a private shop profiting from reusing money itself you store with them and constantly diluting it by loaning it to others and for bad things / gambling mostly.

Don't use banks / start to minimise and invest #value in #people as the better spiral a bit more mentally / #spiritually upwards ... not down by giving power to banks just extracting from people with long-term / lifeline debt...

@freemo @invidious Greatest #money and #truth post on #Fediverse right now is here (if you click this post),

Explaining money 'system' as a scam basically and the underlying cause for everything - wouldn't you know ? (The actual unfairness itself is money - hmmm).

Might not be the most technical sounding... but say it's wrong if really you believe it!

Read and Reply
Bookmark and forget !

Consider replying if you don't get parts or can't believe it

The rest is history... if we can understand how things don't work for us and use the wrong people...

Consider how money is actually given like a big hole in your bucket for you to carry like water pay like leaking bucket everywhere while you don't see it and being #mispent by banks.

Otherwise why give it to people?
Why could banks in 70's give it interest free to other countries and still accumulate power?

(ANSWER: Because they get MUCH MORE back and have a 'system' in various way #debt or #extraction / costs through usage).

To such an extent now it's giving banks excessive power more than ever to contribute to other problems in the world in multiple ways *everywhere*.

Not just their virtual re-loaning ability and risk-taking of savings (loaning more than they have often behind your back) but doing deals in a #gambling / #betting #system essentially !

Gambling life away!

Really is core to almost all problems and not only in the wrongful #future loaning but directly #funding #wars

All bank$ I think have some part in that 'game'.

#Banks funding #war and profitable #crisis ? Surely they not

Could be why some old folks might have kept money under their mattress in the past because it was that better than bad banks having it and spinning the same loan shark type games fuelling uncaring people causing / funding both sides of #war

Suddenly it's not your money all along but a private shop profiting from reusing money itself you store with them and constantly diluting it by loaning it to others and for bad things / gambling mostly.

Don't use banks / start to minimise and invest #value in #people as the better spiral a bit more mentally / #spiritually upwards ... not down by giving power to banks just extracting from people with long-term / lifeline debt...