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Picture of a #Dutch outfit during WWII... why am I not even surprised.
The Dutch couldnt be anymore Dutch if they tried!
@freemo The Dutch were absolutely not prepared for WWII. Shitty equipment, and not expecting to be invaded at all. We kinda expected a repeat of WWI.
@trinsec Thats what happens when as a nation you tend to be anti-gun, i finda would have expected the Dutch to have learned their lesson from WWII
This is Mur 
@freemo I have to agree with @mur2501 here. That's not a good enough argument. It's a theory at best.
And precisely to avoid a WWII scenario from happening, we formed the EU. Guns are supposed to be not necessary.
The countries who do have guns are either 1) Countries who are big on hunting (Norway, Finland, even in my country you CAN own a gun but with restrictions), or 2) Countries who have had a difficult past fairly recently (civil wars and such, illegal firearms left over).
You're moving on from 'freedom' to 'necessity' here.
@freemo None of those coalitions in the past were as advanced as the EU. Despite what the British tried to sabotage. :P
We have much better cooperation with our neighbours than USA has with theirs.
Look, I'm thinking you're hugely considering this from your American POV. Maybe you're feeling you can get invaded any time, and that every civilian probably should be armed for that eventuality. I'm thinking it's a paranoid way of living.
If we get invaded, the armies are going to be better armed than the civilians, no matter what. It's the era of drones and planes. We have a fairly good air force, a hand gun is going to be a shitty comparison there.
Funny, they thought the same thing right before WWII too... everyone things that is true, right up until it isnt.
I love mostly in the netherlands, and have spent more of my adult life outside of the USA than in it.. my views may seem american in nature but I am considering it from world-expiernce not an american perspective.
To be clear in my entire life in the USA I personally saw only 3 guns and they were all at shooting ranges i went to. It wasnt until I was older I bought one and had virtually no exposure to guns as a child and no one in my family had them either.
@freemo @trinsec
If I start justifying use of weapons then stopping just at guns would not be good. Give everyone missiles 
Yayy big big bombs will be donated to all the poor people 
Let everyone shine their nukes on eachothers heads 
There's no end to this,
This do is FREEDOM, freedom to do anything, say anything, everything.
But it's not peace.
Now it's a personal choice what someone wants, peace or the other thing.
Thats absurdism, people should have the same level and access to weapons as the country or state has to use against them.. So if your cops can carry rocket launchers, then yes, I agree so should a citizen. If they cant then neither should a citizen. This would also extend tot he equivelant of national guards. If it is legal for a country to deploy its own military within its borders to use against its own people, such as tanks, then the people should have equal access to tanks. If you dont want people to have access to tanks then make laws where it is illegal for ones own military to use tanks against its own people (which is likely the case in many countries),.
@mur2501
How ya figure. Every point in the gun debate should be considered, and that is a pretty strong one, it isnt the only one.
@trinsec