When the constitution was written it didnt have modern vehicles in mind! Ban assault trucks!

@freemo You know, that actually raises a good point. You might have the right to bear arms... muskets, that is. You probably shouldn't have the right to own one of those modern weapons at all. ;)

@trinsec yes everything modern and dangerous should be banned.. cars, guns, SCUBA, drain cleaner...

@freemo How do you use drain cleaner as a weapon? I'm really curious now! SCUBA I can still see usable as a blunt weapon, especially those oxygen tanks!

@trinsec People have used it as a weapon in some quite brutal assaults. They usually fill a jar with it and splash it on someones face. It can blind and disfigure.

@freemo Makes sense! But it's not produced with the intention to use as a weapon though! Unless you count the war against clogged up drains!

@trinsec So guns are ok but only if they are produced with the intention that they wont be used a weapon? Seems like a rather arbitrary standard to me. Who cares what the person making it "intends"?

@freemo nothing arbitrary about that, these are items designed and built for specific purpose - to wage a war. You can't wage a war with drain cleaner or trucks, even medieval weapon systems will beat that, especially in a city. You don't ban weapons so that one person wouldn't be able to do one stupid thing, you ban them to prevent criminal organization from waging all out wars against each other and the police. After achieving world piece and ending all wars, you might be able to design something that could be a weapon without it becoming a weapon, but meanwhile, if it can be a weapon of war it will be tried, tweaked, produced and marketed as a weapon war.

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@namark @freemo @trinsec

only cops and criminals should have useful weapons until world peace is achieved

No.

@ademan No idea how you managed to misinterpret what I said so spectacularly. Neither cops nor criminals should have enough military grade equipment to be able to wage war against each other, if you ask me.

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@namark @trinsec @freemo guess what buttercup, they do. The logical conclusion of your position is only the cops and criminals having guns. As I already said: No.

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@ademan who do? police and gangs in countries where gun control is minimal, yeah sure. Most policeman around here don't carry firearms, buttercup. When those things are expensive, makes em really hard to get even on black market. You make them cheaper than toys, well everyone and their granmas would get one.

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@namark

Virtually all police in the USA carry a gun on them or in their car. There are few exceptions to that.

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@freemo police in USA look more militant than many a military

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@namark

This is true, though I have seen rather well armed police in other countries too.

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@namark @trinsec @freemo police and gangs in literally every country, regardless of gun control fantasies.

@ademan @namark @freemo @trinsec Scorpion full auto conversions are real popular in the UK for example. If it's the same charge they go "might as well not hold back" and make a machine pistol aka submachine-gun.

Even the poor in the favelas make improvised firearms.

@thendrix @freemo @namark @trinsec I need to organize them but I’ve got a ton of pictures of confiscated improvised firearms, the ingenuity is truly fascinating.

@ademan @freemo @namark @trinsec My favorite is the pipe barrel + nail firing pin with hoe handle grips genre.
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