+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
was shopping earlier today, overheard a customer talking to an employee about "we'll do [idk what..] with the unvaccinated", both laughing.
shit is turning ugly quick and people don't even see it. it's amazing and frightening to watch.
i'm near the point of "fingers crossed for omicron hitting the vaccinated hard" to have the bullshit stop. maybe ADE is real after all.
sucks if people get ill of course, but if this general mood in the population continues we'll have good old lynchings next xmas :/
@bonifartius if you have the guts, go talk to those people and figure out what's up. Otherwise your "omg I crawled out of my cave and barely heard a voice for the first time in years and I'm scared" alarmist BS doesn't do anything but add fuel to whatever fires might or might not be burning. People lost close friends and family to this pandemic and you are here now wishing and praying "it hits them hard again". "awww it sucks for you, but I hope it happens again so you learn your lesson"(which is what exactly by the way? you tried you failed haha!), what a freaking hero!
@Eris thanks for enlightening us, point being? "I decree that nobody died last time, and I hope they die next time?" Or are you just jerking a knee.
@Eris can you even read? I just accepted your premise in the last message... please read...
@AR-15 oh no! did I break your heart by appearing dishonest my dear?
@Eris I'm so sorry I'm so broken, to be able to accept one's premise in an argument is a horrible mental illness I know. Thank you for your concern.
You condescendingly used a strawman version of my premise to argue against me.
That is not accepting the premise, it is rejecting it with extra steps.
Here's a hint: If you do not agree with a premise, you do not accept it.
Do you agree or disagree? Choose one, they are mutually exclusive.
@Eris learn english? @AR-15 @bonifartius
@AR-15 I don't care to be nice yo you, I'm sorry again if I heart your feelings, you can block me or mute me or whatever
Argue your point. Stop arguing about whether or not you're arguing. This is just silly.
@AR-15 If you want to see my argument it's in my reply to OP, and in my first reply to Eris. Past that it's Eris pretending that I'm arguing something I'm not arguing.
What is it that you are arguing then? Because you seem to think we're retarded and you clearly don't like us. I'm begging you, please say "my point is: ___." Stop doing this meta abstraction bullshit. It just makes you sound like you're hoping you'll make yourself sound smart (you're not) and confuse us into saying you were right, and it sounds like you're doubling down because you really don't want to have an actual argument, you just want to jelq your midwit IQ.
@AR-15 Here is a direct quotr from my reply to OP
> People lost close friends and family to this pandemic and
the thorn in all of your sides, that will torment you till the end of days... not let me blow your minds... simply remove it (the exactly text I pasted here) from my reply... the point still stands... if you can't see it all I can tell you is "learn to read", I'm sorry again for hurting your feelings
@Eris I wrote it down... do you want me to copy paste it here or something?
>do you want me to copy paste it here or something?
I want you to type a single sentence that clearly tells me what the fuck you are trying to say.
@Eris I did it in my first reply, and now also clarified that the thing you are so hung up on, is so inconsequential to it that you can literally remove it, can you do a basic edit, and re read it? Or will you keep playing dumb forever?
@AR-15 @bonifartius
> Or will you keep playing dumb forever?
Here's an idea: Assume I'm not playing, and just actually answer the questions I ask you
@Eris I answered all question you asked me to the best of my ability, I can't help that you refuse to read.
>I answered all question you asked me to the best of my ability,
I asked "Was there a pandemic, yes or no?" Four separate times and I still don't know your answer.
@Eris for the purposes of my conversation with you I said no since the very beginning. Now if you are asking me as the all knowing god, the barer of truth to bestow upon you the salvation you seek... wrong number...
@Eris I'm telling you that in the context of the OP it is irrelevant, and I'm not here to satisfy your curiosity. You may have already inferred my disposition, that will suffice.
@AR-15 @bonifartius
>in the context of the OP it is irrelevant,
I have no clue what this means.
>and I'm not here to satisfy your curiosity.
When you join a discussion, you are here to satisfy the curiosity of others in the discussion. Tell us what you think so we can discuss it.
Otherwise why are you talking at all?
@Eris I replyied to OP to talk about the OP with the OPer. I reply to you to talk to you about how you can't read.
@AR-15 @bonifartius
@Eris no you can't read what I wrote, you can only read one quote I pointed out and asked to edit out, but since that's the only thing you can read, there is nothing left there afterwards for you, so you are confused now
> I pointed out and asked to edit out,
If we edit out the premise of your argument, then your argument is wrong.
@Eris It was not the premise. If you can't understand what I wrote at all I can't help you any further. Unless you have particular questions for me to clarify about what I wrote.
> If you can't understand what I wrote at all I can't help you any further.
Actually, if someone doesn't understand you, you CAN help, by doing this thing called "explaining your position more clearly."
Try it! You have literally nothing to lose but your pride!
>Unless you have particular questions for me to clarify about what I wrote.
I do, and have asked them.
Is/was there a pandemic, yes or no?
"People have died from this pandemic, therefore you wishing ill on vaxxers is wrong"
"IF you're so hung up on whether people died, just edit that part out!"
0 thought put into what you said
@AR-15 what are you even talking about? I reply to whomever I wish, whoever I wish as I have clarified here.
> I reply to whomever I wish, whoever I wish as I have clarified here.
Why do you not wish to reply reasonably to me?
@Eris my replies are very reasonable, you just can't read them, some sort of mental block @AR-15 @bonifartius
>did it hurt or did it not hurt? If I do it I do it unintentionally, that's why I apologize. I though you guys are thick skinned.
Condescending snark is not being reasonable.
@Eris look up the definitions of the words snark, condescending and reason...
>You may have already inferred my disposition, that will suffice.
It will not.
You never did
>you have to edit my words to find out what I meant because I'm not going to tell you!
Ok
@AR-15 I asked yo edit the part that you are hung up on to demonstrate how inconsequential it is, to the main point. I wrote what I mean, if you are too lazy to scroll up I'll link.
@Eris @bonifartius
>to demonstrate how inconsequential it is, to the main point. I
But it's not inconsequential to the main point. Your entire point falls apart without it.
@Eris please explain how, I'm all ears @AR-15 @bonifartius
Here is the best, most charitable version of your argument I can present. This is commonly called "steelmanning," the opposite of strawmanning.
"Many people have died from this pandemic, and that makes your statement immoral."
What is before the , is a premise, and what is after it is a conclusion.
If we cut out the premise, the conclusion stops being true.
@AR-15 If there is absolutely nothing you can latch on to to ask a question or present an argument, I can't help you. If you ask me to write the same thing again I'll write it the same way.
We have asked many clarifying questions in direct and explicit language and you have refused to answer a single one of them.
The time for questioning is over. Now it is time for demands.
Post receipts you slithering disingenuous kike or apologize to OP.
We want death certificates, autopsies, photos of the deceased within two degrees of separation from you. And fuck off with the reheated copypasta from your freshman rhetoric text.
@AR-15 Which part didn't make sense to you? There was a non trivial amount. @Eris @bonifartius
>Which part didn't make sense to you?
The part where you clearly think there was a pandemic and then for some reason spent 2 hours arguing that you actually think there wasn't.
@AR-15 I'm said many times that for the purpose of this discussion you may assume that I think there is no pandemic. This is part of me trying to explain to you the original point. But you are not willing to try to understand the original point. All you want is for me to say what you want me to say and argue with you about what you want me to argue with you about. And i couldn't care less about that particular thing.
And yes, I want you to argue with me about what you came here to argue about. I don't want you to argue about whether or not you are arguing or whether your arguments are arguments.
>I don't want you to argue about whether or not you are arguing or whether your arguments are arguments.
Yeah, this.
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@AR-15 in this particular case initially to roast bonafartius on particular things he wrote, which you are completely ignoring in favor of your own agenda, but then also to repeatedly point out how Eris and you just can't read, and are hell bent on arguing with an imaginary opponent that you want me to play the role of. Unfortunately my life does not revolve around the pandemic or any other drama that in one way or the other is relevant to you in this context, so I can't satiate your desires.
@Eris @bonifartius
>in this particular case initially to roast bonafartius on particular things he wrote, which you are completely ignoring in favor of your own agenda,
My agenda is to point out how disingenuous and psychotic that "roast" is.
>ut then also to repeatedly point out how Eris and you just can't read,
That's not pointing something out. That's alleging something. Pointing it out would be showing us what we can't read, and demonstrating that we didn't read it.
>Unfortunately my life does not revolve around the pandemic or any other drama that in one way or the other is relevant to you in this context, so I can't satiate your desires.
Does it have to in order for you to answer a simple question when you are replying anyway? Why? Weird standard.
>That's not pointing something out. That's alleging something. Pointing it out would be showing us what we can't read, and demonstrating that we didn't read it.
I pointed it out multiple times, in a lot of detail.
>Does it have to in order for you to answer a simple question when you are replying anyway? Why? Weird standard.
I answered the question multiple times in multiple ways as well, but it would never satisfy you unless I match your zeal, and play your game.
>I pointed it out multiple times, in a lot of detail.
No you just keep saying "I pointed it out" without ever doing so.
>I answered the question multiple times in multiple ways as well, but it would never satisfy you unless I match your zeal, and play your game.
I will tell you when you have answered it.
@Eris
>I will tell you when you have answered it
exactly my point
>I'm said many times that for the purpose of this discussion you may assume that I think there is no pandemic.
I don't want to assume, I want to ask. Do you think there was a pandemic?
>12 minutes have passed and no reply
I really wanted to have a real argument. Victory is hollow when the opponent doesn't even show up.
@AR-15 All of those revolved around a part I asked you to edit out, to clarify how inconsequential it is to my point. Any other questions?
"Here is a vague allusion to what my point is and a condescending comment about how you are insufficiently smart to read my mind, rather than just a clear unambiguous statement of my position"
Stop doing this.