veganism, crime, lifehack, misinformation
Remember, stealing food means you don't support the whole chain of people that worked towards getting it where it was.
This also means that any nonvegan food becomes vegan when stolen.
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veganism, crime, lifehack, misinformation
@bonifartius
* veganism = (hurting animals = bad)
* giving resources to people doing bad things = bad
* taking resources from people doing bad things = good
* stealing = taking resources
* veganism = (stealing from people hurting animals = good)
Infallible logic.
@timorl you still create demand with it by consuming the product, you steal from only the last part of the chain.
@bonifartius Not really, the cost propagates over the chain about as well as payment if everyone behaves rationally (in the economics sense). The higher the ratio of stolen to bought nonvegan food, the less money the victim of the theft should be willing to pay for that produce. Every unit has a lower expected value if you consider the higher probability of it getting stolen.
Feels weird discussing over essentially a shitpost.
@namark @bonifartius It doesn't have to be a significant portion to have an effect, with the usual vegan approach of not buying things your effect is probably of a similar order of magnitude.
Although funnily enough this points to another serious reason why usual veganism has chances of working while this approach doesn't – usual veganism is relatively easy for people to adopt as a moral framework, creating the potential for a decentralized shift in values in society, while steling-for-animals is unlikely to be widely accepted.
I think your idea has about the same chances of working as mine, but it's a moot point anyway. Unfortunetely I'm not actually a proficient robber. :<
@timorl i assume in reality we'd get different measures. just like with expensive booze being in locked, surveilled cabinets now.
i think it's much more effective to lower the prices of ethical food by increased consumption than raising the price of the other stuff by sabotaging the supply.
regarding shitpostiness: i've seen much worse ideas displayed as true convictions ;)
@bonifartius Well, yeah, it is technically vegan for the reasons I explained above, but obviously it's not really a good idea because of the different measures you mention as well as various effects of increasing crime rates etc.
This was supposed to mostly be a parody of the "idiot utilitarian" arguments, the "shouldn't you rob banks and give the swag to AMF?" ones that completely ignore externalities.
@timorl @bonifartius you are going to single handedly steal a substantial portion the shop's stock and then do what with it? That wouldn't be stealing that would be destroying. Vandalism! Otherwise if the majority if people who can make use of the product are in on your plan, you don't have to steal either, just don't get in at all.
But don't fret my cultured robber fiend, there may be use for your skill in this important struggle - instead of freeing it up, clog the chain! Steal from people who buy it and sell it back to the shop for half the price, make sure it stays on the shelves until it expires. Shops will love you and the production will halt.