Most science now agrees that even 100% vaccination with these specific covid vaccines will not stop the spread or the endemic from continuing.
Car belts are mandated and I take no issues with that, I'm neutral. Those are more about insurance and personal safety then a common good though. There is also virtually no arguments against using them.
I agree its one of the more powerful analogous arguments.
Your science statement is bold and not open minded since there is a fair bit of science that suggests there is more and more real danger to these particular vaccines, science is skeptical not divine. There are many studies that continually disprove what people were claiming as absolute science in the beginning like it being able to give herd immunity. Also there is research going on regarding the specific protein they all use in the genetic therapy to convince your own cells to produce, which in turn trains your immune system. The spike protein itself is potentially toxic in its own right, there are claims that the spike created by the vaccine induce protein is not but that remains to be seen by healthy skeptical researchers void of to much confirmation bias.
There is a group of medical researches at the university I work at that have produced alot of data that gets little attention and debate. The crazier thing is what Dr Pelech says about many of his colleagues and the environment of fear currently in the Canadian academic system, There are medical doctors having their licenses suspended for speaking their minds about it. He also states that research grants are biased toward the type being done. Dr Steven Pelech is in a unique situation regarding punishment and fear since he is both tenured and owns his own pharmaceutical laboratory, he is also on the esteemed senate of the university.
Most of my colleagues are not anti vaccination, just anti this current set of vaccinations.
You can have your opinion but it is of my opinion that in Canada and in the USA this is a gross violation of medical freedom, protected Dr patient privacy and bodily autonomy all of which seat belt mandates are not.
Dr Pelech is one of the founding members of a group of 700 doctors in Canada. https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/
He has assured me in a personal meeting with him that they do their best to keep any misinformation from that website.
Would you like to know my specific reasons and ethical values that prevent me from taking the vaccine?
I think swiley is just a little radicalized by the sad state of our world. This state can exist on all sides of the political spectrum with one commonality, politically the world is kinda fucked.
Freemo is not wrong in this, even if an idea seems good cause it enables your point of view doesn't make it right.
I also agree with swiley on many points.
Biden is terrible, vaccine mandates are egregious.
beware confirmation bias leading you with hope to misinformation. We are all guilty of this from time to time it takes a greater person to realize and accept truth.
The 6 points of advice I have given to many people in my life are pretty much what I distilled from baz Luhrman's speech (my last post). This is basically the advice that has stuck with me from that:
1) Do one thing every day that scares you
2) Don't be reckless with other people's hearts; don't put up with people who are reckless with yours
3) Sing every chance you get
4) Never let distance be a barrier, travel!
5) Never expect anyone or anything to financially support you
6) Be critical of advice you receive, but be patient and kind to those who give it.
@Viking can almost smell them.
@BenDeGhooz
But did the workers own the means of production in china, russia, <insert self claimed communist state here>?
glad you found it :D
@just_julia I heard it was 30-40x regular vaccines .. I'll see if I can dig up the data... it was presented in deaths per million doses.
I really enjoyed this, I feel more connected to Koreans now to :).
@freemo The footage of him in talking in the senate is pretty amazing.
He was one the greats to have lived in our time.
A video of Koreans reacting to mister roger's neighborhood episodes. I have so much respect for Rogers, the man was a gem we lost far too soon.
@freemo When I was 4 years old I asked my parents if I could change my name to Mr Rogers.
https://youtu.be/5hD_0HLWFPc?list=PLfyL_oId-EphDrIsG1Ppwr9FR3KO8Hg8Y
good speech by a 33 year tenured neurologist and professor at the university of british columbia. An esteemed member of the senate.
@jwildeboer
I believe you should consider open mindedness. The bullying and harassment exists on both sides and one side has the establishment. Even within the medical community there is fear and punishment as well as censoring information and bias in funding studies .
Look for the tenured neurologist on the ubc senate on YouTube
Under the account “students for free speech” Dr Steven Pelech.
Consider your position with a little less bias. He is far from an antivaxxer. You should stop being a bigot and grouping as all as antivaxxer some of them are scientists that are being threatened with their careers like Dr Chris Shaw.. I know a few Doctors at my university being threatened with punishment apparently there many others scared to speak up.
@vixn I am calling mandate supporters state dponsered Nazi vaccination rape cultists .
@vixn there are notices of liability, I am about to face leave without pay ... Consulting a lawyer is my next step. Wondering how making me jobless will be good for public health.
Even at 100% vaccination rate the waves will continue.
I'm a freedom loving, human loving, nature loving, concerned citizen.