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@moira

Whatever talking about Elon always start by remembering that he is a troll.

How did he know? Why in the world do you think he knew? Why assume that? There's a very large chance that he was just trolling everybody, because that is the persona that he wears these days.

But then, you're giving him the attention with this post that he wants.

So I guess it worked.

@cspcypher just don't forget that fake government departments are fake, they can't hurt you.

They just play pretend.

Skimming this article, it strikes me as a pretty good survey of how the state of popular politics in the US ended in a election.

It captures being out of touch and being fed up and running a bad campaign, one that really channeled that out-of-touch-ness.

Or, at least, this confirms my baises :) reflects my perception on the whole thing.

But those themes seem to be repeated over and over through quote after quote.

US news | The Guardian  
‘Democrats presented no alternative’: US voters on Trump’s win and where Harris went wrong https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/12/voter-re...

@ginaintheburg That's not quite what happened.

In NLRB v Canning the SCOTUS didn't limit the president's power to make recess appointments but rather it pointed out that Obama had made recess appointments without a recess.

Big difference.

Trump isn't wanting to break a rule here. Exactly the opposite: he's talking about applying the rule correctly.

@ginaintheburg That's not quite what happened.

In NLRB v Canning the SCOTUS didn't limit the president's power to make recess appointments but rather it pointed out that Obama had made recess appointments without a recess.

Big difference.

Trump isn't wanting to break a rule here. Exactly the opposite: he's talking about applying the rule correctly.

@specwill @specwill sounds like you're missing that Chevron allowed agencies to do harm without legislative approval.

This kind of deference allowed one administration to undo the good of the past administration, it allowed one administration to do a bunch of harm to undo the good that the last administration did.

And no, it absolutely does not mean that every single fiddly little thing needs to be legislated. It just means that legislatures have to give permission to regulate those fiddly things, but once the permission is given, go for it.

It sounds like whoever you're listening to on this topic has been misleading you.

@moira Elon Musk is Trump's most important ally? What are you talking about?

And even if he was, which is a nutty thing to say, even if he was the most important ally, he's also well known for being an utter troll, so why in the world would you take anything he says seriously?

@DrPsyBuffy

@adrianfellhauer@sueden.social

Marie Antoinette isn't known for not being part of the working class.

She's known for being out of touch with reality.

And on that note, the rest of your comment seems really out of touch with reality as well. I don't know who's been feeding you this stuff, but abolish democracy? Ministers? I think you're confusing some fiction with reality.

Or more likely, you're just putting your faith in the wrong people and they are telling you things that are just nutty.

@sj_zero

@Alteon examples?

I'm personally not on the Trump side, but I see them literally advocating acceptance and love for minorities, encouragement of rights for women, and the importance of Democracy, literally Every. Single. Day.

Sounds like you've been lied to.

I'm sorry for that.
@realcaseyrollins

@the5thColumnist but the US operates under a completely different governmental structure from Canada.

They're not very comparable.

@sj_zero YES!

I've been having those Marie Antoinette vibes from the left for years, but I forgot about it.

Every time Harris would talk about some promise but have no way to actually get there, it was, Let them eat cake. Why not?

@adrianfellhauer@sueden.social

more important than compromising vs uncompromising, they've failed to engage with the broader public to make their case.

That's the real lesson here, captured by Harris missing chance after chance to make a solid argument for her perspective.

Democrats acted like they could just be right and waltz into office. That's just not how democracy works, though.

They need to engage with those outside their spheres. They haven't been doing that.

@MusiqueNow firstly, it's possible because the Democratic Party botched the election by nominating such an obviously flawed candidate. Harris should have never been the nominee.

Ok, so now what? First, let's never forgive the Party for their screw up. They need to be held accountable.

But what can be done now? There actually is something: 14th Amendment time. NOW is the time for Congress to judge whether Trump is eligible based on the insurrection clause.

The earlier efforts failed in court because that wasn't the right venue. It never was.

But THIS IS.

...not that enough of the country is aware of how this works, so the handle won't be pulled.

@the5thColumnist but that's just political with more steps.

And there are good reasons not to turn the appointments to that vital Court over to an unaccountable, pseudogovernmental, undemocratic organization.

The current process as designed is actually pretty good. It's just that we don't really execute all of the design features, as most of the country doesn't seem to know how it works, so they don't hold the functionaries accountable for doing it right.

Let's try better civics education first.

@504DR yeah, when turned away from hard news and included opinion and commentary in every segment it became a laughing stock.

Eventually I had to stop listening because I had other things to do, and their programming was just so oblivious that its value as comedy wasn't worth the time.

I really hope some day they get back to being hard news.

@OGjester

@hankg

Keep in mind that the reason it doesn't penetrate is because of the current phenomenon wherein people are living in completely different realities with different sets of facts.

It's easy to dismiss what you're saying as just nutty ravings when it doesn't match the facts that the listener knows to be true.

Until that changes, until we get things like reform of journalism to establish factual authority, the country is sort of stuck.

And as an aside, the Democratic Party missed this, and arguably it contributed to their loss.

@isaackuo

@fluxed it's important to highlight "perfect legality."

We should call out for not only botching this election, but also not reforming those laws while they had the chance.

It's something I, for one, have been screaming about for years: If you don't like what a like president might do with his legal authorities, then fix the laws to make sure he wouldn't have those authorities!

Well, if we start yelling about that now and establish it as something we really want done, maybe down the road we can actually have those needed reforms from a party that's not so utterly aloof.

@tx_tartan

Firstly, I doubt Harris can get enough senators, even Democratic senators, to confirm her nomination.

Secondly, wrt immunity, the Supreme Court put limits on the president's ability to prosecute, which would tend to prevent Harris from doing that, not the other way around.

@MusiqueNow

The reason Americans aren't pushing Alito and Thomas out is because the accusations aren't generally regarded as particularly substantial.

Yes, in certain circles they represent scandals that would overwhelm an official, but that's not the widespread view.

Many regard them as overblown or outright fabricated.

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