volkris @volkris@qoto.org

@jackwilliambell

Kind of like complaining that corporate restaurants have conditioned people to expect their food to be served cooked instead of having them take the one simple step of cooking it themselves, and what's the problem here?

Yep. People do like when the platforms they join provide them value. Heaven forbid.

In any case, this all just highlights that @peterbutler 's point was absolutely a thing, even if you personally prefer the problem to exist.

@glyph

Yes, but can either post to Fediverse?

@lucash_dev

So if there isn't a universally accepted definition of Censorship Resistance, you're being awfully definitive in saying Nostr doesn't offer it :)

It looks like Nostr provides alternative ways of accessing content, routing around points of potential censorship, along with built in methods for automatically routing as more relays are added.

You might not personally think that's enough resistance for your own comfort, but it IS resistance to censorship.

It does have some value, whether you think it's a great value or a small value.

@jackwilliambell @peterbutler

and I just came across a post from someone complaining about this very issue.

https://pourparlers.social/@hendrik/109563894666723235

@hendrik

I'm glad you posted this because I was just having an exchange with someone denying that this problem exists.

When telling people to run their own instances, this downside is being overlooked.

@chaspinrad

I suspect this is not possible as it would fall under the "no quote tweet" policy that the Mastodon developers decided to adopt.

Other Fediverse platforms could have it, though.

And it's yet another reason I think Mastodon needs to reverse that development decision.

@thoughtpunks

Instances I've looked into have a preference option for a slow mode where things don't autoload.

@jackwilliambell

Yes, you listed one step to respond to the problem. Because it's a problem. :)

@david_megginson

The reason it's not a fundamental human right is because it implies a right to require someone else to work for you against their own interests.

It implies a right to another person's labor, which is not a right I would recognize; certainly it's a right that is generally rejected in cultures around the world these days.

But on #Fediverse in particular, the ability to join instances with a diversity of policies, and respecting that diversity, objects to that sort of blanket statement about rules to which people must conform as they express themselves.

This platform is built on diversity, not conformance.

@jackwilliambell

I'd just highlight how your laying out a solution to the problem illustrates that yes, it is a real, existing problem.

So yep, as @peterbutler said, you lose visibility and there are hoops a person can jump through to partially get it back.

Whether a person has time to take advantage of that visibility is a different question.

@Hello57

Because we want to leave it up to users to decide how they want to run their content.

@david_megginson

Well, the nice thing about Fediverse is that we can decide for ourselves what core principles are in our use of the system, without anyone else insisting that their personal preferences are The Way things should be done!

altText or don't. It up to each poster posting joyfully!

@lucash_dev

I think you're missing that "censorship resistant" doesn't mean "censorship proof."

Glancing at the project, it does seem to provide additional ways to resist censorship. Exactly as claimed.

Yep, it's still subject to censorship through various means, but that doesn't mean it doesn't resist censorship.

@jackwilliambell

Right, your content has less reach, but you also lose out on content being brought in naturally by fellow instance users following others in addition to whomever you follow.

@humbird0

Yep, this comes up occasionally, and it's a tricky topic because there's a lot of confusion out there about what IPFS actually is, how it works, and what it can and can't offer to the Fediverse world.

I think it would be very interesting to try!

@stpaultim

Yep!

You use that double-at address from any Fediverse system or instance to refer to an account on any other.

...assuming neither instance is blocking the other, that is.