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@kwheaton again, just factually, mathematically it doesn't.

Both Delaware and Texas have two representatives. They have equal representation.

I really don't think there is room to disagree on this simple fact that two equals two.

@mnutty nothing in your latest comment made my statement untrue.

Yes, it's true that Republicans might have overcome Democrats' decision to actively oppose progress, but that highlights what I said: Democrats actively opposed progress, setting up the opposition that needed to be overcome.

You might even support the Democrats' position. Great! But for better or worse we need to judge them for what they did instead of letting them shift responsibility to others.

@admitsWrongIfProven

We were using an idiom to talk about human relations :)

But one that was particularly relevant considering the historical developments that it referenced.

But no, not everything new is good. There are plenty of new things that fail. You had narrowed in on advancements that increased productivity and had implications for leisure, which I'd say focuses on the new things that work, not the ones that don't.

After all, a failed program--a bad new thing--is likely to harm productivity and intrude into leisure, unlike the ones you seemed to have in mind.

@freemo

@wjmaggos

Well I think it often is, as it provides an option that can really help folks without better options.

Like a person who unfairly doesn't have access to banking: being able to pay in cash is pretty important for such a person.

If for whatever reason a person is blocked from traditional forms of electronic money transaction, Bitcoin may provide them a much needed alternative, just like paper notes for the unbanked.

@errhead

@admitsWrongIfProven

So, growing up I always heard them referred to as I described above, backwards people clinging to the past over fears of the future.

You'd refer to someone as a Luddite because they refused to change to newer things, like a person refusing to get a smartphone even though they'd like it better because they were just used to an old flip phone.

That's the use of the idiom that I've so commonly heard.

@freemo

volkris boosted

There is no law stating that the Speaker of the House has to be human. Scientists estimate that 20 quadrillion ants live on Earth. One of them has to have the right stuff.

@Coolmccool

Careful. The backend of fediverse is designed in a way that makes it pretty much perfect for surveillance capitalism.

It has public broadcast of so much information to receivers that you don't even have to actively reach out to, even unknowingly.

Your web browser might be making a request from one site to an ad provider site once you access the first page, but fediverse doesn't even require you to access the first page.

There are ways to empower users, giving them more control, but fediverse was designed to give instances control, not users.

@mpesce

@admitsWrongIfProven

Again, if I had a winner takes all mentality, Why would I go out of my way to say one of the benefits of increased productivity is that it lets us better help those in need?

If you really want to frame it as winners vs losers, I'm explicitly talking about the loser taking, though I wouldn't frame it that way *because I don't have the mentality you're asking about :)*

@freemo

@Brendanjones

I see a lot of replies below that don't realize just how wasteful our computer engineering itself has become.

It's not just that we should decide whether we really need to run some application, but at a deeper level, we're now increasingly wasteful in *the way* we run software anyway.

It's the difference between talking about reducing tailpipe emissions by not taking extra trips to the store vs not using highly emitting vehicles in the first place, for all trips, vital and optional.

Computing resources have become so generous that we run software today that requires far overpowered computers to do even simple tasks. We use inefficient libraries with a ton of overhead, because it's easier or trendier to program them.

Heck, we're even guilty of that here on Fediverse. Have you see how inefficient the design of this platform is?

But... that's just the direction has gone, much to the chagrin of older generations.

So much energy and other resources could be saved without any loss of user value with better practices.

@preslavrachev

Oh, you're getting that backwards: this IS the market economy principles.

People have invested in the systems as they are because they found them to be more valuable than alternatives and their own costs.

@Brendanjones

@kkarhan

You don't need to ban Bitcoin.

Bitcoin energy consumption is a symptom, a solution to a deeper problem.

If the value of Bitcoin to minors didn't so exceed the price of electricity then they wouldn't bother mining.

So, increase the cost of electricity and/or provide alternatives that outcompete Bitcoin on its value proposition

It's the build up, don't tear down approach.
@Brendanjones

@wjmaggos You do realize that there is use for cash other than hoarding, right?

The analogy between Bitcoin and cash is reasonable, but just like cash, Bitcoin is also quite useful for transacting.

Bitcoin is digital cash for people who've come to realize they can't send paper notes over the internet by stuffing them in the USB drive slot.

@admitsWrongIfProven

As for the inequality problem, why would I go out of my way to state that society needs to address it if I want it to exist?

We ABSOLUTELY need to address peoples' needs, and that's exactly why we need to embrace increases in productivity, as that gives us more resources to do exactly that.

@freemo

@admitsWrongIfProven

Honest question: Wait, you haven't heard Luddite having a negative connotation?

I thought that was the overwhelmingly common understanding of the term, backwards people clinging to the past out of irrational fear.

I wonder if you'd mind giving a sense of where you grew up because it's genuinely important to know what idioms are used where when trying to converse.

@freemo

@JetForMe

The Republican called for the vote safe in the knowledge that he'd have the backing of Democrats willing to shut down the chamber.

I do doubt that the guy would have called for the vote without that expectation of Democratic support for that nuclear option.
@TheConversationUS

@jimlil I mean, I'm (probably) on your side in saying the more the merrier.

I WANT to see diversity of opinion that new people bring to the table.

But... there are so many who push for instances to not only block such new people, but also to block other instances that allow such new people.

I figure we might as well realize such folks are out there intentionally looking to cut instances off from each other, in part so we can push back against them.

@mnutty

Again, that's just not factually true.

Republicans overwhelmingly voted in favor of proposals that would avoid government shutdown.

It's just that Democrats voted them down in proportions that Republicans couldn't overcome.

The GOP caucus didn't at all need assistance of Democrats to keep government open. They simply needed Democrats to stop voting to block government funding.

@admitsWrongIfProven

If that's your point then why bring up leisure?

Anyway, that's a gross over-generalization with echos of the old Luddite attitudes that we so rightly criticize.

Not only will so many made redundant by productivity gains continue to earn money doing other things, but often those things will have been made possible by the productivity gains themselves.

And the gains in productivity will even unlock more opportunities for leisure, that you were so concerned about.

There will always be folks in difficult situations that society needs to address, but productivity gains also makes that easier as well.

Bring on the productivity gains. Let's not cling to the past out of fear of advancemet.

@freemo

@TheConversationUS

The Senate is structured in fundamentally different ways, without a Speaker roll to organize it all.

The difference in structure between the House and Senate is a key part of the design of the US legislative branch.

But no, the majority of House members voted that they didn't want to get things done.

@JetForMe

The vast majority of Republicans voted to keep the chamber open and getting things done, though.

They were outvoted by Democrats siding with a few oddballs.

clerk.house.gov/Votes/2023519?
@TheConversationUS

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