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Arguing men shouldnt have a right to an opinion on abortion because they can only be the victim of abortion and never the executor is like arguing women shouldnt have an opinion on rape because they are typically the victim and not the executor.
We all started our lives as fetuses and would have been effected by abortion laws, and as such we all should have a right to an opinion on the matter.
@freemo Of course everyone has a right to their opinion on any subject.
But it does seem clear that while men are not unaffected, women *are* disproportionately affected and their voices should therefore hold more weight on the subject.
And the inverse holds true as well. Men's voices carry more weight when it comes to men's issues, such as the legality and ease of access to Viagra.
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@bonifartius @freemo One could argue that a lack of it does. Ultimately it just depends on when you think life starts and whether or not you're willing to use violence to enforce that belief.
To be clear the argument isnt against or for abortion, while i agree it can be murder (for example a day before birth) it also can save life and depends for sure.
That argument here is men are effected strongly as it decides if we can be killed early on. So it is very much an issue for everyone to discuss.
@freemo @bonifartius On the issue of whether one can be killed or not before being born, men and women are equally involved. But when it comes to being an unwilling incubator for a parasite (especially in the case of rape), women are infinitely more involved than men. So, on balance, women have more of a say.
It's like the toilet seat. We use it down like 25% of the time, but women use it down 100% of the time, so the average is 62.5% which means the correct position is down.
From a scientific perspective life undoubtly starta before birth. That aaid bacteria is also life... the definition of where life starts as much as it matters for killing a bacteria. The fact is someone had the oppertunity at some point in the past to prevent my current life from existing, so i should have a say in matters where we discuss how much right i have to my life. We are discussing if someone haf a right to prevent my life, so clearly i should have a say in that.
@freemo @bonifartius Couldn't you use the same logic to outlaw masturbation and periods, if you only believed that sperm and eggs counted as human life before fertilization?
@bonifartius @louis @freemo That guy is saying that cutting a body to pieces and sucking it through a straw isn't violence.
Maybe it's just an industrial incident.
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Viagra isnt a drug that effects is a woman will live tonsee adulthood... abortion is an act which does kill men and prevent them from reaching adulthood. It very much is a male issue.
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