Picture of a #Dutch outfit during WWII... why am I not even surprised.

The Dutch couldnt be anymore Dutch if they tried!

@freemo The Dutch were absolutely not prepared for WWII. Shitty equipment, and not expecting to be invaded at all. We kinda expected a repeat of WWI.

@trinsec Thats what happens when as a nation you tend to be anti-gun, i finda would have expected the Dutch to have learned their lesson from WWII

@freemo @trinsec
That's really not a good point for just giving away guns to everyone

@freemo I have to agree with @mur2501 here. That's not a good enough argument. It's a theory at best.

And precisely to avoid a WWII scenario from happening, we formed the EU. Guns are supposed to be not necessary.

The countries who do have guns are either 1) Countries who are big on hunting (Norway, Finland, even in my country you CAN own a gun but with restrictions), or 2) Countries who have had a difficult past fairly recently (civil wars and such, illegal firearms left over).

You're moving on from 'freedom' to 'necessity' here.

@trinsec

It is not the **only** argument for guns, just one in a long list of them, and a valid one.

As for forming a "coalition" in the EU intended to prevent that... that didnt work so well for the other world wars, in fact, coalitions are said by some to be the cause.

@mur2501

@freemo @trinsec
If I start justifying use of weapons then stopping just at guns would not be good. Give everyone missiles
Yayy big big bombs will be donated to all the poor people
Let everyone shine their nukes on eachothers heads
There's no end to this,
This do is FREEDOM, freedom to do anything, say anything, everything.
But it's not peace.
Now it's a personal choice what someone wants, peace or the other thing.

@mur2501

Thats absurdism, people should have the same level and access to weapons as the country or state has to use against them.. So if your cops can carry rocket launchers, then yes, I agree so should a citizen. If they cant then neither should a citizen. This would also extend tot he equivelant of national guards. If it is legal for a country to deploy its own military within its borders to use against its own people, such as tanks, then the people should have equal access to tanks. If you dont want people to have access to tanks then make laws where it is illegal for ones own military to use tanks against its own people (which is likely the case in many countries),.

@trinsec