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Thats like saying "fewer vaccines means fewer vaccine death", while technically true its also very poor logic. Sadly no, banning guns generally means more homicides overall.
Also who said anything about Canada. Sadly the body of the american data on this clearly disagrees with the assesment.
Quite a few I've read about and even did studies on myself.
You can find 4 images showing this across 4 countries as an example here: https://qoto.org/@freemo/103766692274567523
I can share many more examples if you'd like.. in fact the vast majority, with just a few exceptions of countries which banned guns show pretty much the same pattern.
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Thank you sir! That's really interesting; I'll look at the numbers here in a minute. 🙏
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Wow, that's really interesting. I would not have suspected that. I suppose the reason we never hear about the real story is government's tendency to want to avoid embarrassment.
I'm pretty sure I've seen at least one actual war started (or continued) because of the embarrassment reaction. People are hard to figure. 😉
Its probably less about embarassment and more about wanting to appeal to the masses.
@AndyLowry @protecttruth Wow I saw those charts it seems like banning guns gives criminals an unfair advantage against law abiding citizens hence more criminals using guns and more guns violence in general. Is that a fair assessment @freemo?
@voidabyss @AndyLowry @protecttruth @freemo the graph's do not show banning guns, does not represent violence involving guns, and do not mention who the perpetrator and victim are
It does indeed show the banning of broad classes of guns (handgubs). So id say its more than close enough
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If you spend much time amongst firearms enthusiasts, you'll hear that as one rationale for wanting to carry a gun. (Used to do competition shooting with revolvers and 1911 .45's as a hobby.) I don't know what the numbers say on that; never tried to track down any data on it.
@freemo @protecttruth , it is also interesting to look at homicide and suicide rates by nation, with or without gun control measures. I don't think guns actually play much of a factor in overall deaths. The only thing they seem to change is the existence of aberrations, like mass killings. Which are an incredibly small part of the big issue, the number of dead people. And even in the USA, the largest school killing in US history was not done with guns. Bath School murders.
Unfortunately that sort of analysis is almost useless simply because you have no way of controlling a rather long list of unknown confounding factors. Its one reason why scientists avoid this very sort of analysis... well, if they are serious and objective anyway.
@freemo @protecttruth , I strongly agree. I just say it is interesting to LOOK at the available data, and try to theorize about what it can mean. Anyone who draws conclusions is almost without doubt wrong on this issue. But, I have to admit my bias: I don't see social sciences as science.
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I did not know that about banning guns = more homicide. What country or countries were studied for that result? Thanks!