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@Eris can you even read? I just accepted your premise in the last message... please read...

@bonifartius

@AR-15 oh no! did I break your heart by appearing dishonest my dear?

@Eris @bonifartius

@namark @AR-15 @bonifartius Yes, it is a sad and tragic thing for a person to lie to themselves. It fills us with sorrow for your soul. We expect better from you.

@Eris I'm so sorry I'm so broken, to be able to accept one's premise in an argument is a horrible mental illness I know. Thank you for your concern.

@AR-15 @bonifartius

@namark @AR-15 @bonifartius
You condescendingly used a strawman version of my premise to argue against me.
That is not accepting the premise, it is rejecting it with extra steps.

@Eris @AR-15 I didn't argue with you, I accepted your premise and simply ask you for your point in context of the OP and my reply, and you kept on going pretending that I said something I didn't say, arguing with something you imagined to yourself.

@bonifartius

@namark @AR-15 @bonifartius
Here's a hint: If you do not agree with a premise, you do not accept it.
Do you agree or disagree? Choose one, they are mutually exclusive.
@namark @Eris @bonifartius "yeah yeah yeah whatever, what's your point even?" Is very different from "You know what, you're probably right." If you meant the latter and not the former, apologize and clarify. We're not as retarded as you think we are.

@AR-15 I don't care to be nice yo you, I'm sorry again if I heart your feelings, you can block me or mute me or whatever

@Eris @bonifartius

@namark @Eris @bonifartius I don't want you to be nice to me. I want you to be mean and aggressive to my face and not behind a fake-polite facade like you are now. Call me a nigger. Do it.
@namark @Eris @bonifartius I am begging you to be direct, not nice. You've spent a whole hour trying to gaslight Eris and me in a way that clearly shows you think we're retarded. That's not nice and you're not trying to be nice. Pretending you are is gaslighting us about being gaslit and now we're on 2 levels of meta.

Argue your point. Stop arguing about whether or not you're arguing. This is just silly.

@AR-15 If you want to see my argument it's in my reply to OP, and in my first reply to Eris. Past that it's Eris pretending that I'm arguing something I'm not arguing.

@Eris

@bonifartius

@namark @Eris @bonifartius I re-read your reply. Your argument is literally "yeah yeah yeah whatever, what's your point? BTW I'm not arguing with you :)"

What is it that you are arguing then? Because you seem to think we're retarded and you clearly don't like us. I'm begging you, please say "my point is: ___." Stop doing this meta abstraction bullshit. It just makes you sound like you're hoping you'll make yourself sound smart (you're not) and confuse us into saying you were right, and it sounds like you're doubling down because you really don't want to have an actual argument, you just want to jelq your midwit IQ.

@AR-15 Here is a direct quotr from my reply to OP
> People lost close friends and family to this pandemic and

the thorn in all of your sides, that will torment you till the end of days... not let me blow your minds... simply remove it (the exactly text I pasted here) from my reply... the point still stands... if you can't see it all I can tell you is "learn to read", I'm sorry again for hurting your feelings

@Eris @bonifartius

@namark @AR-15 @bonifartius

"Here is a vague allusion to what my point is and a condescending comment about how you are insufficiently smart to read my mind, rather than just a clear unambiguous statement of my position"
Stop doing this.

@Eris I wrote it down... do you want me to copy paste it here or something?

@AR-15 @bonifartius

@namark @AR-15 @bonifartius
>do you want me to copy paste it here or something?
I want you to type a single sentence that clearly tells me what the fuck you are trying to say.

@Eris I did it in my first reply, and now also clarified that the thing you are so hung up on, is so inconsequential to it that you can literally remove it, can you do a basic edit, and re read it? Or will you keep playing dumb forever?
@AR-15 @bonifartius

@namark @AR-15 @bonifartius
> Or will you keep playing dumb forever?
Here's an idea: Assume I'm not playing, and just actually answer the questions I ask you

@Eris I answered all question you asked me to the best of my ability, I can't help that you refuse to read.

@AR-15 @bonifartius

@namark @AR-15 @bonifartius

>I answered all question you asked me to the best of my ability,
I asked "Was there a pandemic, yes or no?" Four separate times and I still don't know your answer.

@Eris for the purposes of my conversation with you I said no since the very beginning. Now if you are asking me as the all knowing god, the barer of truth to bestow upon you the salvation you seek... wrong number...

@AR-15 @bonifartius

@Eris I'm telling you that in the context of the OP it is irrelevant, and I'm not here to satisfy your curiosity. You may have already inferred my disposition, that will suffice.

@AR-15 @bonifartius

@namark @AR-15 @bonifartius

>in the context of the OP it is irrelevant,
I have no clue what this means.
>and I'm not here to satisfy your curiosity.
When you join a discussion, you are here to satisfy the curiosity of others in the discussion. Tell us what you think so we can discuss it.
Otherwise why are you talking at all?

@Eris I replyied to OP to talk about the OP with the OPer. I reply to you to talk to you about how you can't read.
@AR-15 @bonifartius

@namark @Eris @bonifartius If you want this to be a private, closed discussion then take it to DMs or simply ignore people you don't wish to reply to. You are on a public forum. The public can and will respond to public posts you make. If you don't like this, then leave.

@AR-15 what are you even talking about? I reply to whomever I wish, whoever I wish as I have clarified here.

@Eris @bonifartius

@namark @AR-15 @bonifartius
> I reply to whomever I wish, whoever I wish as I have clarified here.
Why do you not wish to reply reasonably to me?

@Eris my replies are very reasonable, you just can't read them, some sort of mental block @AR-15 @bonifartius

@namark @AR-15 @bonifartius
>did it hurt or did it not hurt? If I do it I do it unintentionally, that's why I apologize. I though you guys are thick skinned.
Condescending snark is not being reasonable.

@Eris look up the definitions of the words snark, condescending and reason...

@AR-15 @bonifartius

@namark @AR-15 @bonifartius I looked them up and you fit them perfectly. Every one of your comments drips with sarcasm.
@namark @AR-15 @bonifartius

It's really bizarre for someone to be so overtly snarky and then actually try to deny it.

@Eris I'm not denying I'm snarky. I'm saying it's not contradictory to reason. I must repeat, you really truly can't read anything I write do you?
@AR-15 @bonifartius

@namark @AR-15 @bonifartius

>I'm not denying I'm snarky
>look up the definitions of the words snark, condescending and reason...
The obvious implication of this snarky reply is that you are denying being snarky.
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@Eris no you claimed I'm not reasonable because I'm snarky. I asked you to look up the definition, so that you at least realize that it is possible to be both snarky and reasonable and not at all to deny that I'm snarky.

@AR-15 @bonifartius

@namark @AR-15 @bonifartius
> so that you at least realize that it is possible to be both snarky and reasonable
They are in fact mutually exclusive, and in this particular instance your snark is a method for avoiding being reasonable. It's your way of deflecting.

@Eris nice job not looking up the meanings of the words...

@AR-15 @bonifartius

@Eris here I looked up the definition of snark for you
>an attitude or expression of mocking irreverence and sarcasm.

If you are honestly claiming that it is impossible to speak mockingly while also expressing reason, the I don't know if any examples can convince you. One would be when I say that you can't read, you obviously can read, I jest, what I'm expressing is that you are missing my point.

@AR-15 @bonifartius

@namark @AR-15 @bonifartius
>If you are honestly claiming that it is impossible to speak mockingly while also expressing reason
Not only am I claiming that, I am shocked that you find that to be a claim at all.
>the I don't know if any examples can convince you.
Try one and find out.

@Eris I just did? How much more proof do you need of your inability to read?

@AR-15 @bonifartius

@namark @AR-15 @bonifartius
> I just did?
You did it again. You just say you did it, without ever doing it.

@Eris

> One would be when I say that you can't read, you obviously can read, I jest, what I'm expressing is that you are missing my point.

one would be, as in one example would be, just read

@AR-15 @bonifartius

@namark @AR-15 @bonifartius
>you obviously can read, I jest,
Yes, exactly. Stop doing that.
What point am I missing?
>what I'm expressing is that you are missing my point.
You never say what the point is though.

@Eris

> Yes, exactly. Stop doing that.
I will not, and that has nothing to do with reason.

> You never say what the point is though.
The original point in my reply to OP, that you reuse to address even though I keep pointing it out.

@AR-15 @bonifartius

@namark @AR-15 @bonifartius

>I will not, and that has nothing to do with reason.
"I will not be reasonable with you" is being unreasonable.
>The original point in my reply to OP, that you reuse to address even though I keep pointing it out.
Yes, what is that?
@namark @Eris @bonifartius You have not once stated the point directly. You keep contradicting some of it and alluding to it but never elaborating on what you actually mean. You're not actually smart enough to play this game. Please go home and consider suicide.
@namark @Eris @bonifartius Definitions have many names, and none of them matter. Names are not important. To speak is to name names, but to speak is not important. A thing happens once that has never happened before. Seeing it, a man looks upon reality. He cannot tell others what he has seen. Others wish to know, however, so the question him saying, 'What is it like, this thing you have seen?' So he tries to tell them. Perhaps he has seen the very first fire in the world. He tells them, 'It is red, like a poppy, but through it dance other colors. It has no form, like water, flowing everywhere. It is warm, like the sun of summer, only warmer. It exists for a time upon a piece of wood, and then the wood is gone, as though it were eaten, leaving behind that which is black and can be sifted like sand. When the wood is gone, it too is gone.' Therefore, the hearers must think reality is like a poppy, like water, like the sun, like that which eats and excretes. They think it is like to anything that they are told it is like by the man who has known it. But they have not looked upon fire. They cannot really know it. They can only know of it. But fire comes again into the world, many times. More men look upon fire. After a time, fire is as common as grass and clouds and the air they breathe. They see that, while it is like a poppy, it is not a poppy, while it is like water, it is not water, while it is like the sun, it is not the sun, and while it is like that which eats and passes wastes, it is not that which eats and passes wastes, but something different from each of these apart or all of these together. So they look upon this new thing and they make a new word to call it. They call it 'fire.'
If they come upon one who still has not seen it and they speak to him of fire, he does not know what they mean. So they, in turn, fall back upon telling him what fire is like. As they do so, they know from their own experience that what they are telling him is not the truth, but only part of it. They know that this man will never know reality from their words, though all the words in the world are theirs to use. He must look upon the fire, smell of it, warm his hands by it, stare into its heart, or remain forever ignorant. Therefore, 'fire' does not matter, 'earth' and 'air' and 'water' do not matter. 'I' do not matter. No word matter. But man forgets reality and remembers words. The more words he remembers, the cleverer do his fellows esteem him. He looks upon the great transformations of the world, but he does not see them as they were seen when man looked upon reality for the first time. Their names come to his lips and he smiles as he tastes them, thinking he knows them in the naming. The thing that has never happened before is still happening. It is still a miracle. The great burning blossom squats, flowing, upon the limb of the world, excreting the ash of the world, and being none of these things I have named and at the same time all of them, and this is reality-the Nameless.
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