ᛕᎥᕼᗷᗴᖇᑎᗴ丅Ꭵᑕᔕ @Kihbernetics@qoto.org

In this propaganda article "#civilization" is used as a synonym for #religion. Chinese ethnicity is not necessary as long as you

>"use the inherited resources, such as Confucian classics, to fashion your practices and thoughts" ...

To what end? Confront and "civilize" the barbaric liberals?

https://www.noemamag.com/a-non-liberal-foundation-for-robust-democracy

Identity #politics does not care about your personal #identity and #uniqueness.

>"#Identity_politics, which derives often from civilizational and cultural factors, remains opposed to #liberalism. Bruno (Maçães) says “States might have a territory and a people, but their center of gravity lies in the way of life embodied in the state."

https://www.noemamag.com/civilization-states-are-profoundly-illiberal

@garymarcus

Do you see any problem in this explanation of why the moratorium wouldn't work?

https://aisnakeoil.substack.com/p/a-misleading-open-letter-about-sci

Btw, the link in your toot doesn't work. I think this one is better:

https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/i-am-not-afraid-of-robots-i-am-afraid

A rare short and clearheaded analysis of the **real** risks associated with the use of #AI tools in contrast and response to the general overwhelming "doomsday" hype such as that presented in the recent *6 months moratorium* letter.

https://aisnakeoil.substack.com/p/a-misleading-open-letter-about-sci

I wonder if those two are concerned at all with what happened with the last emperors and czars they are trying to emulate. 😀

https://www.noemamag.com/reviving-the-realm-of-czars-and-emperors/

@ybaumy@digitalcourage.social

Yes. It makes perfect sense for Taiwan to keep TSMC on the island as a means of protection.

I reacted to this article because the writer fails to mention that "civilization states" like China and Russia didn't stop their "globalization" efforts of spreading their "civilizational values".

I think the whole argument that the Western (liberal) globalization process is dead is bogus, as the speed at which the majority of world countries came together after Russia's invasion of Ukraine can testify. Globalization is just becoming less one-sided and more **diverse**, like a good neighborhood where people are primarily focused on their own "houses" but can quickly band together when needed to fix a common (global) problem.

I think there are actually two globalization processes in place, one led by China and the other by the US and other Western liberal democracies. Judging by the global movement of people you can immediately tell which one is more attractive. You don't see lines of westerners trying to emigrate to countries like China or Russia, do you?

>"As Chang proclaimed: “Globalization is almost dead. Free trade is almost dead. And a lot of people still wish they would come back, but I really don’t think they will be back for a while.” "

With the world becoming more and more of a "global village" where people, capital, and ideas move freely and instantaneously there is no turning back on #globalization.

People are just becoming more aware of the fact that it is not very clever to have all of your eggs put in one basket, particularly if that basket is far away from your immediate reach.

What is happening now is not #deglobalization, it is #diversification.

https://www.noemamag.com/the-cost-of-deglobalization/

I think Maturana may have "jumped the gun" here by succumbing to the cybernetic #control vs. #controlled type of thinking and using a gun (a mere passive #product or #structure) as a metaphor for an active, living #system.

In my mind, the notion of ***external control*** so pervasive in #cybernetics does not fit well with the notions of #autopoiesis and #constructivism.

Unlike a (living) system, the gun has no other #choice but to react to the trigger, except, as Maturana notes, in case of malfunction (which is not equivalent to choice).

If #AI by some chance gets in a position with the power to "wipe out" humanity, it will be not because of its superior intelligence but because of humanity itself.

The truth is that intelligence neither craves power nor it is a precondition to raise into a position of power. Quite the opposite.

Some wise words from John Dewey about the difference between #Intelligence and #Power written back in 1934.

https://newrepublic.com/article/100340/intelligence-and-power

Humberto #Maturana Romesin on ***structural determinism***
*Our Genome Does Not Determine Us*
Presentation made at the Remaining Human Forum
Vancouver, B.C., May 22, 2001
https://asc-cybernetics.org/2001/RH-Maturana.htm

1943 - The year when it all started:
#Cybernetics, #Computationalism, #ANN
From: *Brains, Machines, and Mathematics*
by: *Michael A. Arbib*

Didn't know Google can also do translations:
https://www.google.com/search?q=translate+cybernetics+greek

@sozialwelten

Hi, SocialWorlds. Your post ended in my "Home" timeline probably because of the #information(en) hashtag, and even if I don't speak German it looked interesting so I "had" to translate it and respond. Hope you don't mind :-)

> #Distinction of #undecidable #questions in #known and #unknown #conditions of their #relevance.
#hypothetical / #factual
#Factually meant as a #question for #data as not yet known #information
#known / #unknown
In the case of #functional systems such as #economy, #religion, #art and #politics, only #facts are missing. How they are to be #understood is #clear.
In the case of #meaning and #ecology, #decisive #factors are #unclear.

In my opinion #data=#facts. You can't argue about facts the same way you can't really argue about the "hard data" (numbers, graphs) in front of you.

What you can argue about is the ***interpretation*** of that data, or the ***different*** private #information every one of us will extract from the ***same*** set of data (facts) in front of us. What information is derived from the data depends on the ***different*** #knowledge(s) each one of us has about the world.

@protagonist_future

Should **Fox "News"** be banned for spreading misinformation?

https://www.niemanlab.org/2023/03/why-journalism-schools-wont-quit-fox-news/

@protagonist_future

By all means, investigate and prosecute criminal behavior. Citizens and consumers need protection, both legal (formal from government agents) and communal (informal from individuals and society at large).

But don't go and preventatively de-platform "influencers" because, in someone's opinion, they spread harmful misinformation. It is not uncommon for bad actors to start playing the victim in order to silence dissent or information they don't like.

You have one recent example with the de-federation of the #qoto mastodon server:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments/z68m3e/jeffrey_phillips_freeman_eugen_rochko_ceo_of/

> Unlike the Cartesian argument that living beings are like man-made machines, Kant was the first author who defended the view that organisms are deeply different from machines because their parts and activities are non-separable, and the functions of these parts are not externally imposed, but rather intrinsically determined.

*Moreno & Mossio*
Biological Autonomy - A Philosophical and Theoretical Enquiry

They might **behave** (function) similarly to machines, but the real difference is how they are **produced** and maintained.

@protagonist_future

Just saying that from where I stand there are no external information sources that can or should be regulated. Everything is just #data.

Every one of us as a #dynamical #learning #system creates our own #information based on whatever data we deem trustworthy in this external cacophony.

What data we select to create our own information and what we make with it depends solely on the internal state of our current #knowledge.

The environment can throw anything at you but what you make of it is up to you. While someone may get "sucked in" the downward spiral of conspiracy theories, others (with a different knowledge state) will just get annoyed.

So, bottom line? #Education is of paramount importance.

Control in #Cybernetics always has to come from the outside or is exerted, not internally onto the elements that make the system but onto something else outside of the "control" system.

Even such brilliant thinkers as #FJ_Varela, one of the "fathers" of #autopoiesis could not escape this profoundly ingrained "cybernetic" assumption:

>"#Autonomy means, literally, self-law. To see what this entails, it is easier to contrast it with its mirror image, #allonomy or **external law**. This is, of course, what we call #control. These two images, autonomy and control, do a continuous dance."

**Francisco J. Varela** - *Principles Of Biological Autonomy*

http://mechanism.ucsd.edu/teaching/f17/phil204A/readings/Varela%201979%20Principles%20of%20Biological%20Autonomy.part1.pdf

Control theories such as #PCT (Perceptual Control Theory), which are based on #Cybernetics, are primarily focused on the #negative_feedback control loop closed through the system's #environment and have little or no concern for the more important, internal #positive_feedback motor loop controlling the system's #growth and #learning cycles.