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@design_RG @freemo Are they getting cremated nearby??
Nah, just added an image to counterpoint the "chasing own tail" on OP.
The fight happened in the past (Italy, Spain, Germany) and it wasn't easy, pretty or funny.
@realcaseyrollins
Not pointing at anyone in particular, just that opposing extremism is a real thing. And the radicalization on the US atm is worrisome.
A lot of people inflamed, getting information from one sided "media" and many armed to their teeth. Could end up badly.
@design_RG @freemo Nobody we were talking about opposes extremism. Antifa doesn't oppose extremism, they are the extremists.
Agreed that they are radical, but they clearly oppose people who are not pretty flowers. See last year in August, the torch walkthru University campus and armed militia coming to town.
Ending on protester being killed intentionally with a vehicle.
@freemo
Two examples of violence I witnessed at three separate protests in different states:
1) Antifa members kickng and punching an old man simply for wearing a MAGA hat. The old man was mostly on the ground aft6er the first blow getting klcked.
2) Antifa members throwing explosives (dangerous fireworks) at an old couple walking past.
3) no actual violence but heard one Antifa member talking about starting violence, and using a weapon (knife I didnt see).
@freemo
The incident you describe, with an aged person being attacked by a group, is clearly criminal and indefensible.
The media has very little credibility for me in America sadly. So with anything I form an opinion on I did either first hand research, or rely on more scholarly sources (the latter being rare on anything political).
In the case of ANTIFA I heard two opposite stories from the left and the right, so I went to rallies around the world and tried to observe for myself to decide.
What I saw: At more than half of the protests I went to if Antifa was present then they either engaged in violence or threatened to do so (where I personally witnessed it). Now keep in mind this was more than a year ago at this point.
What I can also say is that the right occasionally used violence to, but it was very rare, in fact I only witnessed that once.
So I can say, from my own experience, that Antifa use violence as a primary means to attack anyone they accused of being a Nazi, which most of the time, they were not, simply conservative.
Here's the incident I was recalling.
And the militias came next day, armed to the tooth. See photos here: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=charlottesville+militia+photos&qpvt=charlotsville+militia+photos
@realcaseyrollins
Video w/ language, violence
@design_RG @freemo Well fighting the alt-right and racists does not make all of one's actions against them justified, contrary to the popular "it's okay to hit a Nazi" rhetoric that seems to slowly be gaining momentum.
No doubt, Antifa opposes bad people, and bad groups, but they also oppose good people and good groups, and that's totally not okay.
Also, they resort to violence! I can't imagine condoning a group like that, especially when they not only attack their sworn enemies like the alt-right during #UniteTheRight (although to be fair, it might have been #BLM that started the fighting), they also attack innocent bystanders, which instantly caused me to hold them in utter disdain.
You would think that these are clips from some lawless, third world country, but they're not.
Video w/ language, violence against a minor
@design_RG @freemo This is reprehensible.
@design_RG @freemo This has been an interesting thread but I must get up and get moving. I leave for my flight in a little over two hours, and I have a lil bit of packing to do, and I gotta eat.
Feel free to keep to conversation alive and I will respond when I have time. 👍 🙂
@realcaseyrollins
Yes, do take care of those. Have a good trip!
Sometimes I wish we had an "opt out/unsubscribe" control in Mastodon. I just got stormed into a busy one, where we just had talked about Pizza, red Wine and nice ladies, then BOOM... 😜
@freemo
@design_RG @freemo LOL same here.
I am back now tho!
@design_RG @freemo What fight? I am confused as to who you are calling Nazis, and thus also confused as to why.