@djsumdog @freemo how long are you gonna be a sore loser about this

@mewmew @freemo I'm fine with Biden, America has never really had free elections and we're back to that. There will be more war. I don't fucking care.

but there is massive election irregularity and it's all just getting waved away. I'm not engaging with you because you're just being smug, but this is not a time of honor for America. This tramples JFK and 2020 Bush v Gore as to the level of absurdity around election fraud. You can read this:

https://battlepenguin.com/politics/the-return-of-american-corruption/

This is the wrong way.

@djsumdog @freemo I mean, you're just fundamentally *wrong* about Trump and the "ruling class" in general. But your claims about fraud are bullshit. The "6000 votes" was a manual error that had no bearing on the actual results. Trump poll watchers were allowed in in PA - the city wanted them further away to lower COVID spread. Every one of these is debunked but it's a lot easier to spread misleading information and compile it than it is to actually figure out what happened.

@mewmew
I live in philly. Partly true. poll.watchers were allowed in polling places. However despite a legal battle to have the right to also watch in satellites where the mail in ballots are submitted (their real concern) they were completely banned and denied

@djsumdog

@mewmew
I have heard democrats talk about election fraud being a rampant problems for decades and spent most of trumps presidency trying to prove it to be true. After spending four years insisting the election system is rigged now all of a sudden the system is infallible?

Don't get me wrongs i dont think its rigged, i wont dismiss it, but i want to see evidence and i have yet to see any.

I am just more concerned with the hypocrisy of a party that spent 4 years trying to go to court to get Trump kicked out for election fraud with no evidence is now all of a sudden completely offended when trump does the same and has been at it for only a day?

Also lets not forget Al Gore spent 35 days after the election was called claiming fraud before finally conceding

@djsumdog

@freemo @djsumdog what you have said here is so far from anything resembling reality that I'm not going to argue against it, there's nothing really substantive

@mewmew

Argue against what? I made no claims other than pointing out the democrats spent 4 years trying to impeach trump for, in part, election fraud... If you really think that doesnt resemble reality then you arent in touch with reality yourself clearly.

@djsumdog

@freemo @djsumdog no, they haven't, if you thought they had been trying to impeach him for election fraud you have not been paying attention at all. Democrats didn't claim election fraud, Clinton didn't claim she won the election, Democrats didn't sue MI, WI, PA. You're just making up bullshit to try to paint them as hypocritical.

@mewmew
What rock have you been under where you dont know about the claim the russians interfered with the election to get Trump elected? It basically circumvented the usual legal cap we place on campaign financing if the russians did interfere. So yes that would be election fraud.
@djsumdog

@freemo @djsumdog no, that's not election fraud.

You're being incredibly dense here. These are totally different things. Democrats agree that Trump got more votes in MI, WI, and PA than Clinton did in 2016. They never disputed that. They never claimed that their ballots were thrown out.

@mewmew
I never said they did. Election fraud is not limited to the counting of ballots. By definition it is any illegal process that causes one person to get more votes than they otherwise would. You simply incorrectly assumed that my statement was supposedly about vote counting.
@djsumdog

@freemo @djsumdog ah, so your argument is "Democrats cared about campaign finance violations, why don't they care about Trump's temper tantrum over losing"

This is such an idiotic argument. "why are Republican caring about election fraud now when they claimed there wasn't any for the past four years when Democrats tried to investigate" is an equally fair (in the sense that it's absolutely nonsense) argument as the one you used

@mewmew

Nope not my argument at all.

You do realize quotes are supposed to be used for things people have said right, not imaginary things you want to argue over that you think they said but didnt. I can see now where that disconnect from reality comes from if you cant even correctly reiterate what i said moment ts ago.

Probably best, and far more polite, to ask for clarity when you struggle to understand a persons point rather than whatever nonsense that just was. Come on your better than that dont start acting like those clowns all of a sudden.

@djsumdog

@freemo @djsumdog lol

@mewmew @freemo @djsumdog no one claimed the actual vote count was botched

@freemo
I think @mewmew's point is that interfering with the elections by disrupting social media and financing violations, and actually interfering in the vote counting process are so different, that comparing them is unreasonable. In particular, the former is massively easier to do, and thus more likely a priori. These are also related to very different parts of the election process — the former requires a lack of trust in the honesty of the Trump campaign, and the latter a lack of trust in the integrity of the voting and vote counting process.

Besides it's strange to criticise Dems in this case, since it turned out they were right. If it later turns out that they were also wheeling in Biden votes to counting centers, then the comparisons still won't be equivalent — although in this case because interfering with the counting directly is much worse. So far this seems extremely unlikely.
@djsumdog

@freemo @mewmew @djsumdog I didn't understand there to be any real question about election fraud or irregularities in the 2016--it was about foreign interference. Misinformation and that sort of thing, not forged/lost/whatever ballots.

It's only been Trump calling into question the actual electoral process, a couple of his more fervent acolytes, and more established Republicans--except some of those of the most flexible convictions and personal codes--are edging away from him.

@dlek
Thats correct. Election fraud is not limited to counting votes. In this case the election fraud would be due to circumventing the laws around elections wrt advertising and campaign funding since the russians were basically accused of campaigning for trump and using tactics that do not follow the election rules. So would still be considered election fraud.
@mewmew @djsumdog

>It’s only been Trump

False.

Blexit on the record standing for ELECTION INTEGRITY John James, MI Senate challenger (contesting) https://twitter.com/JohnJamesMI/status/1324450412427153409 Vernon Jones, GA State Representative, Democrat supporting Trump https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97nLFCo2Vp0 Kimberly Klacik, MD-7 challenger (lost) https://twitter.com/kimKBaltimore/status/1324563483078307840 Errol Webber, CA-37 candidate https://twitter.com/ErrolWebber/status/1325142691215110145 Candace Owens, Blexit founder https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1324351363384487936 Tariq Nasheed, Non-partisan FBA https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1324926290470739969 CJ Pearson, Free Thinker Project https://twitter.com/superyayadize/status/1325037177877762050 Alveda King, Civil Rights Activist https://twitter.com/cazam_c/status/1323966120752226306 Leo Terrell, Civil Rights Attorney https://twitter.com/TheLeoTerrell/status/1324913078509707265 Darryl Brooks, Poll Watcher https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H10wZ4SszM David Webb, Reporter https://twitter.com/davidwebbshow/status/1324728252561346561 Charles Payne, Civil Rights Activist https://twitter.com/cvpayne/status/1324772367411908613 Shemeka Michelle, Civil Rights Activist https://twitter.com/BrandonStraka/status/1324863415354003457 EDP455, Youtuber https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNgrOJiHdBQ&feature=youtu.be Ali, #StopTheSteal https://twitter.com/ali/status/1324223552321708033

Congress on the record standing for ELECTION INTEGRITY Mike Pence VP https://twitter.com/Mike_Pence/status/1324503069447593988 Mitch McConnell KY Sen https://twitter.com/senatemajldr/status/1324697471654789120 Rand Paul KY Sen https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1324717483987709954 Lindsey Graham SC Sen https://twitter.com/ScottBaio/status/1324626183900733440 Ted Cruz TX Sen https://twitter.com/tedcruz/stataus/1324730865637859331 Tom Cotton AR Sen https://twitter.com/TomCottonAR/status/1324465508268314624 Marco Rubio FL Sen https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1324683628937420800 John James MI Sen https://twitter.com/JohnJamesMI/status/1324450412427153409 Pat Toomey PA Sen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQDBJRBOT3U Doug Collins GA Sen https://twitter.com/RepDougCollins/status/1324425965578129410 Josh Hawley MO Sen https://twitter.com/HawleyMO/status/1324527325820715008 Tim Scott SC Sen https://twitter.com/SenatorTimScott/status/1324586277086339072 Kevin McCarthy CA-23 https://twitter.com/GOPLeader/status/1324566720414101507 Jim Jordan OH-4 https://twitter.com/jim_jordan/status/1324436603897610240?s=21 Angela King GA-5 https://twitter.com/theangiestanton/status/1324734924235149313 Debbie Lesko AZ-8 https://twitter.com/DebbieLesko/status/1324715051475890176 Kimberly Klacik MD-7 https://twitter.com/kimKBaltimore/status/1324563483078307840 Sean Parnell PA-17 https://twitter.com/SeanParnellUSA/status/1324764998875439106 Matt Gaetz FL-1 https://twitter.com/mattgaetz Dan Crenshaw TX-2 https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/status/1324770439428739072 John Rose TN-6 https://twitter.com/RepJohnRose/status/1324908457913356290 Lauren Boebert CO-3 https://twitter.com/laurenboebert/status/1324457957288017920 Paul Gosar AZ-4 https://twitter.com/DrPaulGosar/status/1325140733372723200 Nicole Malliotakis NY-11 https://twitter.com/NMalliotakis/status/1325174968091435008 Mo Brooks AL-5 https://twitter.com/RepMoBrooks/status/1325178622802448384 Errol Webber CA-37 https://twitter.com/ErrolWebber/status/1325142691215110145 Greg Abbott TX Gov https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1324578495591337984

50,000+ Trump rally-goers have been converted to #StopTheSteal protests Entire right-wing parallel media has put out the call for videos and informal testimony and county total auditing. 600+ lawyers are compiling the serious ones into sworn affidavits and witnesses willing to testify.

News flash - if we don’t have ELECTION INTEGRITY we don’t have a country. You cucks need to HOLD THE LINE. It’s well-acknowledged even by your own side that dem inner city machines are 100% rigged in every election. If anything you should be greatful that Trump will expose the rigging that your own populist, Sanders, never had the stones to call out (and therefore let his inner city people suffer even more).

@dlek @freemo @mewmew @djsumdog

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@search_social @dlek @djsumdog @freemo can you not read a full sentence? seriously?

also candace owens is an idiot who created a site to dox people, then got mad people doxxed her and blamed it on the left without evidence. "blexit" is an astroturf and all the others your listed are Trump sycophants

>NOBODY SUPPORTS TRUMP gets btfo with huge list >THEY DONT COUNT 2a, bitch

>TRUMP IS RACIST gets btfo with huge list >THEY AINT BLACK 13a, bitch

>ANTIFA MAKES A HUGE ENEMIES LIST IN THE NAME OF FASCISM gets btfo with counter huge list >HOW DARE SOMEBODY GIVE ME A TASTE OF MY OWN MEDICINE 1a, bitch

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@search_social yeah, there are some dumb people, your point is?

@mewmew @search_social @djsumdog @dlek @freemo
> can you not read a full sentence?
False.
The entire sentence was "It's only been Trump calling into question the actual electoral process, a couple of his more fervent acolytes, and more established Republicans--except some of those of the most flexible convictions and personal codes--are edging away from him.". Try reading it (hint: it says they are "edging away from him")

@Hyolobrika @djsumdog @dlek @freemo @search_social "except some of those of the most flexible convictions and personal codes"

>”except some of those of the most flexible convictions and personal codes” The sentence is literally “NOBODY SUPPORTS TRUMP (except for everybody that does).” It’s a motte-bailey fallacy intentially constructed to imply there is no support for ELECTION INTEGRITY but to falsely pretend with a tiny disclaimer nobody reads that actually everybody supports Trump.

>your point is? Point is it’s a demoralization attack and I’m remoralizing the people falsely demoralized by it.

Win or lose, there WILL be a stand for ELECTION INTEGRITY. Fight, support those who do, or get the hell out of the way.

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@search_social yeah, election integrity is going to show you losing by millions of votes, and failing to win MI, WI, PA, NV, AZ, or even GA. have fun with that.

you still won't believe it when he loses in court.

@mewmew @djsumdog @dlek @freemo @search_social Ok. You’re technically right. But that doesn’t exactly scream anyone of any note, though.