Data : Would you choose one life over one thousand, sir?
Picard : I refuse to let arithmetic decide questions like that.
-- Star Trek (I think TNG)
The answer would need the context of what was happening in the episode. I gave you a link to the synopsis of the episode. Once you read it we can discuss what the answer might be in that scenario if you'd like.
Hahah my purpose was to exemplify the fact that morality, especially in the face of people dying, cant be reduce to a set of rules (no matter how complex)... It is a subtle matter with no real objective answers.
@freemo @Romaq The answer is that it is complicated. If someone is trying to be social, it is good and a mistake is to be excused. If someone is not trying, it is bad.
Hard to hold those apart, since those not trying will not admit it until they have so much power that they can dismiss any consequence.
The fact is that there are people that accept any cost to achieve any goal, no matter how small. We are just too divided to counter it, as we are not such maniacs. We will perish because we are too nice.
But fret not, they will also die. It will be a nice wrap, may the next try work out better.
Im not so sure there are is some evil few in charge against a mass of divded people...
I think most of the evil in the world is carried out as a collective will... the "leaders" just emerge from that tendency.
We are all, each of ius a small part of the evil boogie man and if we want to start fixing the problems we have to look at the small-time individuals and not the leaders.
@freemo @Romaq So you are saying if the ecosystem collapses, if everything is going to shit...
This is not some systemic aberration of humans trying to live like in the stone age, failing to adapt, it is for their conscious will?
I very much think we are all just stupid, but if you see humanity as the central evil, who am i to say no.
It's kind of a philosophical question. Are we unable to advance, or are we held back by some trait that gave emergence to something that is meta and held us back? Are we the problem, or just the cause of the problem?
The end goal may not be their conscious will, but the steps to get there are. How many people are running their AC, leaving their lights on, throwing trash out their window... billions. Not because they want to die a horrible death, but because they want to be comfortable now and dont care if it fucks everyone over to do it.
@freemo @Romaq And yet, the rich are causing more damage as far as i know... it's not that much of a stretch, if you have all the money, you can fuck shit up. When was my last choice about taking a private jet to my destination?
What about another yacht for my yacht, that i reach with my private jet? Do you think i fucked up the environment by buying another plastic bottle of milk instead of a glass bottle of hemp milk (which does not exist, not by my choice)?
So tell me, is the end consumer the baddie? By not flogging the producer into doing it right?
Get it right, power to decide equals responsibility. I have a lot of wishes, but no power. I could shout and scream, but not make tetra packs go away.
Work is when someone tells me to make him stuff, and if i do it they give me little IOU's that I am then allowed to use to buy back a portion of the things I just made for him. Those IOUs are even interchangable with other workers from other companies who get the same deal.
Oh, I was blocked by someone in a recent conversation including @freemo because I'm a trash person with nothing of merit to contribute.
Nah, I think it's just silly as hell to block people because they don't kiss the ring.
I think its weird to join one of the least-blocking instances in the fedi with the intent to block as many people as he can find... but, hey, whatever makes him happy. Blocking isnt a crime either.
We have this one freakin' moron flerf that makes a big deal out of Wernher Von Braun being involved in the Apollo Program. His best bud on Birdsite has "88" in his handle, and for a reason.
Heh... I block a few flerfs, but must I provoke into blocking me by being pushy about facts. Things like watching the ISS pass on schedule. That's a little hard to say it's just a "sateloon" (balloon satellite).
Reminds me of the time @\p@shitposter.club started blocking people on his server after I jokingly said I had alts "somewhere"... he even made this huge scene accusing one of them publicly of being me and going "GOTCHA"... everyone laughed at the dude for months because it was so obviously not me.
I block when
1) they often pop in out of nowhere
2) their SNR is very high.
I've blocked a few flerfs with an insanely high SNR. Most I don't block.
Right the SNR needs to pretty much max out... some nasty slurs and racist shit ill block no matter how much signal though. Nothing pleasant will come of them anyway.
Repeating the same slur within the first few minutes is a pretty good indication. They aren't even creative enough to come up with fresh new slurs in a single sitting.
They are flerfs, and hopeless. But I meet cool people and new things from them. Those who are *NOT* flerfs, that is.
It uses a EWMA type method and early estimations can be made from the larger more dominant spikes to allow for an early abort :)
The human is the last thing I want to see in them.. I want to see the chimpanzee, thats where the real wealth lies.
Be more like your chimpanzee ancestors and less like humans!
@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven @Romaq
Woe to him who amasses what is not his and makes himself rich with many loans!
How long will this go on?’
Will not your creditors suddenly arise and those who disturb you awaken?
Then you will become their prey.
Habakkuk 2:6-7
@customdesigned @freemo @admitsWrongIfProven @Romaq
He who owes to others, is slave to is own necessity.
He who has owes to none, is free of need.
I aspire to become a totally worthless person someday.
I aspire to become a totally worthless person someday
In that case I have great news….
@Romaq @freemo @customdesigned @admitsWrongIfProven
I have bad news for you…
@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven @Romaq
I'm still waiting on my free board
@freemo @Romaq Let it die.
Perfect would mean we would have to work for it, but the concept of work is perverted...
Hey americans, do you know what work means? Can you define it without fascist terms?