🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

The irony of this interaction is this is the first time I saw a democrat disagree with me and not throw a fit and get toxic and start blocking. It actually had me sitting here second guessing if there might be a few good ones.... then she blocked me... The irony is she would have done more to change my mind otherwise and threw away any positive effect she had in the end.

@WrenArcher

> The thing is... that's not going to happen. It simply is not going to happen in this election or anytime soon.

Irrelevant... "This evil person is so popular its unlikely people would pick someone who isnt evil" is a very very poor argument to convince someone to support evil people in positions of power.

Moreover the value of a vote is **not** if my vote matches who won. The value of a vote is if your vote had an **effect** on the outcome that is positive, or some future outcome. There are two ways your individual vote makes a difference 1) if it changes the numbers enough as to make people think int he future something (like a third party win) is more possible or 2) the election is an exact tie and you happen to be the deciding vote. If we consider point #1 then a third party is best choice because it fixes the problem you stated that no one would vote third party, it proves third party is more viable by showing higher support numbers that will swing support in future elections. For #2 a third party is also your best choice, as your vote is a much larger percentage of the share for the underdog, therefore the chance your one vote will make a difference in your local election is much higher since you represent a much higher share of the vote.

So yea if you actually care about your vote having a positive effect you would vote third party.

@Thumper1964

@HotTubMemeMachine@mastodon.social

Well I expect and want my candidates to meed with foreign leaders. So if **all** someone has is they had dinner once, that means very little to me on its own.

@unabogie @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews

@gfjacobs

Ahh good old mastodon toxicity as usual. cool story bro.

@Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews

@unabogie

Agreed, we have to do away with blue states all together, it is selfish and immature to be in such a state and let others throw away their vote in support of a two party system, one of the most harmful things to society and america is the two party system, the false narrative keeps evil people in power even when we have good decent choices right there on the ballot.

@Ralph058 @WrenArcher @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews

@gfjacobs

Right, which is what I am doing. Harris and Trump represent fascism, and while Chase Oliver isnt perfect he is a good compromise between freedom and fascism.

@Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews

@Thumper1964

Agreed, the stakes are too high.. which is why people need to get off their ass and stop voting for one of the two evil parties and start voting for someone who isnt evil. The stakes are too high to be voting for Harris or Trump.

@unabogie

Nah, that would be the people voting for Harris and/or Trump. If they would refuse to vote for evil people then Trump wouldnt get into office (or Harris).

Remember, a vote for Harris is a vote for Trump (2-party voter logic).

@CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews

Ahh right been away from social media for too long. totally forgot how toxic mastodon people are.

@WrenArcher @CoachMark @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews > Well, I've got a little more.

Always welcome a respectful discussion, please feel free.

> I'm begging you Doc Freemo ( @freemo ) don't do that. I'm sure you know history of U.S. elections is replete with examples of how casting a protest vote is not a protest at all. This is very evident in swing states.

It is not a protest vote. It is the only kind of vote anyone should ever cast, it is a vote for the best candidate, plain and simple.

> Had Hillary garnered those "protest" votes and independent voters, she would have won. We wouldn't have the situation we have with the Supreme Court to the degree that it is now.

While not having Trump in office would have certainly been a good thing, having Hilary there I doubt would have done us any good. I mean sure the supreme court has some wackadoodles on it since Trump had his way, but with Hillary we probably would have been knee deep into WW3 by now. Replacing one incompetant man with another (or woman) wont fix a damn thing.

> We wouldn't have the tax cuts that were given to corporations.

I'm kinda neutral on that, our taxes are pretty high but i dont mind it either way rteally

> Roe vs Wade would not have been overturned.

Roe v wade should have never been the way we protected abortions. From a legal standpoint it made no sense and using privacy as a means to protect abortions was always a plan doomed to fail. The democrats should have been pushing for a amendment to protect abortion from years ago. Ask yourself why they never proposed such a thing ever? Because having abortion be at risk is exactly what the democrats want, it gets them elected. Same for republicans, gets them elected.

> But if you live in a swing state, this trans girl is begging you... please do not throw your vote away on the Libertarian or Green Party candidate.

I am not throwing away my vote, I am voting deliberatly and with intent for the person who is objectively the best canddiate, nothing more, nothing less.

@CoachMark @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews

@CoachMark

I dont think so, but if they turned out to be related I wouldnt be that shocked :) They both give the same nerdy vibe in some ways.

@Burnt_Veggies @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews

@mike Oh I am sure they will, just like the democrats tried to spin it that Trump was responsible for the unemployment rate during a pandemic.

I dont like Trump either, but the Republicand and Democrats are largely the same childish people when it comes to "spin" about the other side. Neither side cares about lying if it makes them look good.

@Burnt_Veggies

Thats why I said Chase Oliver is my first choice.. Stein would be a compromise at best... basically anything is better then Harris vs Trump.

@CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews

@CoachMark

Thanks for sharing.

@WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews