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Jeffrey Phillips Freeman
Innovator & Entrepreneur in Machine Learning, Evolutionary Computing & Big Data. Avid SCUBA diver, Open-source developer, HAM radio operator, astrophotographer, and anything nerdy.
Born and raised in Philadelphia, PA, USA, currently living in Utrecht, Netherlands, USA, and Thailand. Was also living in Israel, but left.
Pronouns: Sir / Mister
(Above pronouns are not intended to mock, i will respect any persons pronouns and only wish pronouns to show respect be used with me as well. These are called neopronouns, see an example of the word "frog" used as a neopronoun here: http://tinyurl.com/44hhej89 )
A proud member of the Penobscot Native American tribe, as well as a Mayflower passenger descendant. I sometimes post about my genealogical history.
My stance on various issues:
Education: Free to PhD, tax paid
Abortion: Protected, tax paid, limited time-frame
Welfare: Yes, no one should starve
UBI: No, use welfare
Racism: is real
Guns: Shall not be infringed
LGBT+/minorities: Support
Pronouns: Will respect
Trump: Moron, evil
Biden: Senile, racist
Police: ACAB
Drugs: Fully legal, no prescriptions needed
GPG/PGP Fingerprint: 8B23 64CD 2403 6DCB 7531 01D0 052D DA8E 0506 CBCE
Joined Jul 2018
@katanova @godofbiscuits @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews > You left the united states, but you can't let it go. You've decided to spend your time trolling the people who are putting sincere care and effort into trying to build a better future
I have told you three times now I have not left the USA. I am literally sitting here right now, I have a home here, a business, and spend more than half the year here. I have not left.
If you want to make an "appeal" start by listening to what the other person actually said. No one will take you seriously when you repeat the same wrong things someone has told you three times and yet you keep repeating it because you want to win some argument that doesnt exist.
@godofbiscuits @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
> Hello. In ALL American elections, "third party" "protest" votes are empty. They do nothing substantive.
A common, but very much inaccurate myth. They arent protest votes, they are votes for the best choice, nothing more, nothing less.
Second, there is no rational argument to claim a vote for someone who happens to win, when your vote does not decide/swing the result, somehow has more value than a vote for someone who looses. Since in both cases your vote didnt change the result, there is no argument either vote has more value than the other.
That said there **is** an argument for value for a third party vote, and that value exists regardless of who wins (as I explained earlier in the thread). So there is a very clear argument for a third party vote.
@godofbiscuits @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
> so each was on its way already to becoming a majority party and entrenching itself. Gotcha. And WHEN was the last one?
No actually not at all. In every case where a new party came in and took over a majority party it had <1% support int he previous election. These new parties that come in and replace existing majority parties in 7 out of 8 of the cases all happened over the course of a single election. In the one outlier it was over the court of 2 elections.
> And WHEN was the last one?
Quite some while back, Its about a generation back, something like 80 years ago. Which again is to my point, the fact that it has happened 8 times already and has not happened **recently** means the underlying cause is something recent and not FPTP which we had through that entire time.
> My only point was that THIS election, a 3rd party vote is nothing but a not-D and not-R vote, because there is no 3rd party groundswell.
As stated in virtually all cases of a switch of parties there was no building "ground swell" in all cases the switch of party was abrupt and over the course of just a single election.
Moreover as stated earlier, its a pointless argument because there is no rational argument that a vote for a candidate that wins, particularly when your vote does not swing the outcome, has any more value than a vote for a canddidate that looses, again, when your vote wouldnt have caused the swing. Since votes never really come down to a single vote, your vote will never swing the outcome, so there is little incentive for you to pick a canddidate you dont like as much simply because you think they would win.
> So enjoy your fucking techbro money from a country with functional healthcare and social safety nets. Point and laugh at how foolish we are for not already being as enlightened as you.
Oh no, not at all. The healthcare here is far from functional. While it is broken just as deeply as in the USA it is broken in very different ways. I would not wish the european healthcare system on my worst enemy, it has already forced me to get one surgery I didnt need as a consequence of the abusive wait times (since the non-invasive treatment would take months to schedule).
> Something fairly consistent in my interactions with europeans on Masto is how arrogant they are when commentating on american politics.
Ahh I see your intent was a toxic discussion now filled with personal attacks... Your opinion on europeaners or anyone else just lost all value.
@godofbiscuits @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
> Hey, dude, you left behind the united states to move to the netherlands.
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> Good for you. I've heard it's really nice there.
Only partly true, I have a home in the USA, Netherlands, and until recently Israel.
> Not all of us are so fortunate to be able to leave all the deep structural problems behind and watch politics like it's a fucking spectator sport, because we fucking live here.
No argument from me that I am more privileged than most and will largely be more resistant to an abusive government than most as a result.
> We have to live with the consequences of this election, and you get to sit back, point and laugh whatever the outcome.
Incorrect, we both have to live with the consequences though, as I said, I still have a home there. I also do all of my business out of the USA (thats where my company is). So despite my privilege I am certainly effected still.
@godofbiscuits @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
The 8 times I was talking about was specifically the presidential election. Moreover not only did a third party win, but in every case except for one the third party became the new majority party and the majority party that lost went out of existance. So 8 times.
The fact that it hasnt happened recently should tell you that it has nothing to do with FPTP (since we had that for our whole history and had 8 transitions) but rather something more recent to blame.
There are 40 countries that ellect with FPTP and I dont know of one of them that claims a two-party system. So that is a bit of a myth that is easily enough debunked.
The 2 majority parties have also been replaced by a new major party 8 times in the history of the USA. We even within the USA we know we arent locked in to two parties.
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> First, how is voting for a fringe candidate who cannot win anything or accomplish anything any kind of compromise, let alone a good one?
Cause who wins or looses will in no way be effected by your vote. So your vote has no more value if you happened to pick the guy who won or the guy who lost, that outcome is the same regardless.
So since voting for the guy who happens to win accomplished absolutely nothing as well the question is how is voting for a third party candidate, presuming he looses, accomplishing something. Simple, your nudging the percentage points for third parties higher, and the percentage for primary parties lower. This in turn effects botht he calculated (projected) chance of a third party being a challenger int he future, and drives greater support to third parties (as they are harder to write off the higher their percentage points go).
So in short, while voting for a majority candidate absolutely does no good, even if it wins, voting third party **always** does good regardless of if they win.
> Second, explain to me exactly how Kamala Harris represents fascism.
In much the same way the republicans do. With violent exclusionary opposition to even mild criticism of their party. and the fantacism that goes along with that. Combine that with her general support of police and an unwillingness to fix (or even recognize in any meaningful way) the deep rooted issue with police in this country, and combine that with the genocide she supports in palestine the fascism meter is cranked all the way to 11.
@gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
As I said, I have no interest in debating this assertion of yours. Take a hint.
You did a great job at proving one thing though, the toxicity of the democratic party to criticism is very much alive and well I see.
@gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
> Last I checked we add up all the votes for each race.
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> If you bothered to read the article you would know the 107k was across not one but three states, and they were not distributed evenly.
Thanks for the rude condescension.
So remind me In which of those states/countries would a single flip of a vote have changed the outcome? Oh right, none. Thus out of those 107K people not if you were any one of those people changing your vote would have not changed the outcome, full stop.
> You also ignore state and local races. I can find you several PA House races that were decided by under 60 votes in 2022.
Again as I said, it doesnt matter if it was decided by 2 votes, that still isnt even a **single** counter example. Because even if it comes down to 2 votes that are the deciding vote, even then my vote wont change the outcome, but voting third party **will** have a positive income.
> The margin of Democratic control is two seats.
All well and good but until there is a statistically significant chance of my vote being the determining vote, then my choice in a vote has absolutely no impact on the outcome. So your argument has failed every attempt to argue to the contrary,.
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Right, as I said I didnt really expect a fair or objective (unbiased) opinion on this half of the question. Like I said your opinion on this half isnt particular interest for me to debate as I dont expect it to get anywhere productive if you are that far gone (biased).
@gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
Thats the kind of bias I expect. I didnt really expect you to get past this point, its soo subjective to have a chance.
If thats really how you feel im not even going to touch that one. It comes across as just too far gone to be able to reason with in terms of bias.
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> This is a flat out lie. Of the more than 120 million votes cast in the 2016 election, 107,000 votes in three states effectively decided the election.
You told me it was a lie, and then provided evidence of why I was correct. You're doing it wrong :)
So assuming you were part of that 107,000 that means if you voted one way the same person would have won with a 107,000 margin, if you voted the other way they would have won with a 106,999 margin. The outcome would have been exactly the same no matter how you voted if you were part of that 107K group. No matter how small the group is, as long as it is greater than 1 you changing your vote will not effect the vote of anyone else int he group, therefore the outcome is unchanged by your vote.
> It was less than 1/2 that in 2020.
You would have to find a case where it was 1/107000 that number to show even a single counter-example to my claim, so again, still proving me right.
> The same is true for dozens of Congressional races, hundreds of state office races and many thousands of local races across the country.
We are talking presidential election here. But sure, ill bite, even if we included congressional races you'd still have to show such a race coming down to a single vote, which you cant. Even if you could the odds of being that one person who decides a vote the one time in all of history it is likely to happen on a major election is still so astronomically high it is effectively 0 even if it did happen once somewhere.
@gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
> First, how is voting for a fringe candidate who cannot win anything or accomplish anything any kind of compromise, let alone a good one?
Cause who wins or looses will in no way be effected by your vote. So your vote has no more value if you happened to pick the guy who won or the guy who lost, that outcome is the same regardless.
So since voting for the guy who happens to win accomplished absolutely nothing as well the question is how is voting for a third party candidate, presuming he looses, accomplishing something. Simple, your nudging the percentage points for third parties higher, and the percentage for primary parties lower. This in turn effects botht he calculated (projected) chance of a third party being a challenger int he future, and drives greater support to third parties (as they are harder to write off the higher their percentage points go).
So in short, while voting for a majority candidate absolutely does no good, even if it wins, voting third party **always** does good regardless of if they win.
> Second, explain to me exactly how Kamala Harris represents fascism.
In much the same way the republicans do. With violent exclusionary opposition to even mild criticism of their party. and the fantacism that goes along with that. Combine that with her general support of police and an unwillingness to fix (or even recognize in any meaningful way) the deep rooted issue with police in this country, and combine that with the genocide she supports in palestine the fascism meter is cranked all the way to 11.
@gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
But underscore is never used as legitimate punctioation in english, where as a hypen is. So "brother-in-law count" can become "brother-in-law_count".. basically underscores are spaces, hyphens are used to represent hyphens.
I was going to address the finer points, but Im actually rather dumbfounded as you dont just sit there making stuff up just to win an argument, you tend to be better than that... Literally none of what you said is how it went down.. like at all.
> The issue that arose 14 months ago, which you are referring to, is the same one I'm referring to: near the end of the tournament she beat the Russian champion and then suddenly they decided that she was disqualified.
You keep insisting on fabricating a russian connection when there was none. At the 2023 championship she did not compete against a Russian, she competed against a chinese woman, Yang Liu . The competitior wasnt russian, the committee (IBA) isnt russian, and the location wasnt russa....
> nd then suddenly they decided that she was disqualified. Much later, someone who works for the Russian government claimed it was because she has a Y chromosome.
No the disqualification announcement wasnt "much later", the gender test, and disqualification took place during the actual competition and was announced sometime prior to march 26th (the earliest newspaper article I could find about it). The competition last day was march 26th and the article already specifically discussed her disqualification, the test, and the announcement as to why.
> Once again, there is no evidence, there is only a non-credible subsidiary of a dictatorship making a politically convenient claim after their athletes failed to make it to the semifinals of a championship.
Literally every claim you've made to discredit it by talking about russia has been directly contradictory to the reality.. you made many claims about russia (that it took place in russia, that the committee is russian and that she competed against a russian, none of which is true).
So I ask again can you actually show evidence it is tied to russia in some way, cause so far everything you've said has failed even basic fact checking...
We agree she is a woman, but man you are totally out in left-field ont he supporting facts.
> The Olympic committee already did their own qualification tests, along with the Algerian government, which does not allow any sort of transgender behavior, and has showed her birth certificate on which she is listed as female.
The olympic committee generally doesnt do DNA testing or other gender testing. So aside from a birth certificate they did not gender test. I personally applaud them for this, we shouldnt have gender classes or tests. But they certainly didnt do any testing of their own beyond just checking their stated gender.
> There's no evidence of this. It is a claim being tossed around by racists and misogynists who have a political motive with no source, nothing to point at other than "Doesn't look feminine enough for me". And even if there were, that doesn't mean she doesn't have 2 X chromosomes.
No, there is evidence.
Here is a news source that is from the UK so hopefully a bit more tolerant than a US news source (big hope I know):
"Imane Khelif failed a gender eligibility test due to the presence of certain chromosomes, the International Boxing Association (IBA) has said."
This has been confirmed by the IBA and the olympic committee as well. Here is a similar source:
The International Olympic Committee was warned in writing more than a year ago that Olympic women’s boxer Imane Khelif had the DNA of a “male”.
Mark Adams, spokesman for the IOC, confirmed the existence of the International Boxing Association (IBA) letter, leaked to the 3 Wire Sports website on Sunday.
It would seem its not just fear mongering, multiplke sources, including the IBA itself has all confirmed she failed a gender test 14 months prior due to having male DNA.
> She has done so for her entire adult life without anyone having an issue until she beat a Russian.
Strictly speaking the issue arose 14 months ago, May 2023 when she failed a sex DNA test and was barred from competing in India. The Olympic committee was notified **prior** to the loss.
> It does not. Even if she has a Y Chromosome, which again, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF, that doesn't mean it's expressing. In fact, the fact that she is physically female without medical intervention tells us it couldn't be, even if she had one.
I might tend to agree with you there, it **may** not matter if it isnt being expressed. But thats a hard thing to say.
> They do. She is a women's lightweight.
Right, im saying get rid of sex based classes all together and stick to **only** things like weight class.
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Jeffrey Phillips Freeman
Innovator & Entrepreneur in Machine Learning, Evolutionary Computing & Big Data. Avid SCUBA diver, Open-source developer, HAM radio operator, astrophotographer, and anything nerdy.
Born and raised in Philadelphia, PA, USA, currently living in Utrecht, Netherlands, USA, and Thailand. Was also living in Israel, but left.
Pronouns: Sir / Mister
(Above pronouns are not intended to mock, i will respect any persons pronouns and only wish pronouns to show respect be used with me as well. These are called neopronouns, see an example of the word "frog" used as a neopronoun here: http://tinyurl.com/44hhej89 )
A proud member of the Penobscot Native American tribe, as well as a Mayflower passenger descendant. I sometimes post about my genealogical history.
My stance on various issues:
Education: Free to PhD, tax paid
Abortion: Protected, tax paid, limited time-frame
Welfare: Yes, no one should starve
UBI: No, use welfare
Racism: is real
Guns: Shall not be infringed
LGBT+/minorities: Support
Pronouns: Will respect
Trump: Moron, evil
Biden: Senile, racist
Police: ACAB
Drugs: Fully legal, no prescriptions needed
GPG/PGP Fingerprint: 8B23 64CD 2403 6DCB 7531 01D0 052D DA8E 0506 CBCE
Joined Jul 2018
