🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@enigmatico
How is it you already have an opinion of my data and yet I have given no indication what data I even had to present. You literally just went on this long rant about thing you imagined I'd say that I'd never say. You have no CLUE what data I have or what points I' made or even what opinions I hold. You've proven that because everything you said that you imagined me saying are things that I would never agree with..

@alexa@fedi.absturztau.be

@enigmatico
You told me lots of things that you believed, you talked a lot, you will have to be more specific

@alexa@fedi.absturztau.be

@enigmatico There are lots of different ways

@enigmatico Wanna know how scientists do it?

@enigmatico
How about instead of assuming we just look at the data?

@alexa@fedi.absturztau.be

@enigmatico
I also never even said much of anything about economy as a whole yet. You have spent so much time talking all I have done is respond to the things you assume I said I never said. I never actually once got a chance to SAY anything of my own opinions yet to you, let alone have you respond to them.

Basically all your responses are just passive agressive attempts to belittle me for an opinion I havent even expressed yet (because I havent been asked or given a chance to really talk with you about my opinions yet).

Like I offered to show you data and walk you though it and explain to you why I think what I think. But you keep going on about arguments I havent even made. like dude. ask try to understand what im saying before you try to tell me why I'm wrong, please.

@alexa@fedi.absturztau.be

@enigmatico
I really dont care what YOU want to call me. But I am literally called a Data Scientist and Research Scientist by pretty much anyone who is a scientist. It is literally in my job title (the one I linked to on wikipedia by the way).

@alexa@fedi.absturztau.be

@enigmatico

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_science

@alexa@fedi.absturztau.be

@enigmatico
And seriously, you can stop trying to belittle me in your responses. I am certainly not trying to talk down to you (and if you felt that way I'm sorry) so if you want me to continue engaging you please dont do it to me.

@alexa@fedi.absturztau.be

@enigmatico
No while I do work in economic fields some of the time I wouldnt say I "work in economy" I do hard research, peer-reviewed. To me a scientist is anyone capable of publishing in peer reviewed scientific journals.. but most of my work is not in economics. When I work in economics it is to assist other scientists who need a data analyst to help them run the numbers. The most accurate title for me is "Data Scientist" thats my technical title anyway. Its a great profession because I get to co-author papers in many different fields, economics is just a big one.

@alexa@fedi.absturztau.be

@enigmatico
As a scientist my focus is mostly on data analysis that means a few things: statistics, Regression Analysis, Machine Learning, and Artificial Intelligence.

So this point about automation is one that actuall crosses over to the over half of my profession and passion. i'd love to go in on that with you. but that is a different topic and I dont want to derail us from the main topic of minimum wage. especially since up until now it has all been one sided.

@zenix @alexa@fedi.absturztau.be

@enigmatico
I am literally a research scientist who does actual first hand research on topics including this.

Like seriously, if you think im just responding to meme culture or being manipulated you have to check yourself. I personally am not one to ever use my credentials to tell someone they should trust what I say. I dont want you to do that all. But when your clearly getting emotional and making this personal when you are clearly WAY off the mark, I think it shows you need to check yourself right now. Argue against my points, sure, but if you attack me personally its just immature.

I will treat you respectfully but only if you do the same. I am not seeing that right now but if youd like to continue this please be more respectful and I'd be happy to continue.

By the way would you like to actually see the data to back up my last post. I can cite peer-reviewed scientific journals on most any assertion I make. Like I said I'm a scientist so most of my knowledge on this topic comes from, well, accepted science.

@alexa@fedi.absturztau.be

@zenix
That is not at ALL the argument. When did I say that some must live in poverty. There are PLENTY of good ways of addressing poverty, no people dont have to live in poverty. Minimum wage is simply not one of them. But again no one has actually even asked me for WHY. Thats what I find curious here. Not a single person has even had the maturity to ask me why i feel minimum wage is bad or what evidence i draw on. Everyone so far, yourself included, have argued against it and made statements about what my opinions are or what my argument is. Yet you dont even know one word of that argument yet.

Ask me and id be happy to engage in that dialog with you and hear you out as I do. But all im seeing is a completely 1 sided conversation so far. That is very damning.

@alexa@fedi.absturztau.be @enigmatico

@enigmatico
Wel if they dont hire you and hire someone else, someone still got hired. So the unemployment rate wouldnt go down. So why would your counterexample which relied heavily on employment rate be relevant to the point...

Since your not going to ask me and just going to keep telling me how your right about an argument being made, let me just jump in and tell you what was meant.

What is being said in the meme is "If i have to pay more money I will hire people who are worth more money. I'll hire the same number of people, ill just make sure they are more skilled".

Sohow would that represent in the statistics so we can test if the meme is true. Well none of what you posted is relevant. Unemployment rate overall doesnt matter. What you would have to look at is how the unemployment rate correlates to the minimum wage in a state, and then compare that across demographics at different skill levels.

For example you could in theory see a situation where by raising the minimum wage 10% of all people without high school diplomas would get fired and replaced by the same number of people who happen to have a university diploma. If this were the case the unemployment rate would be exactly the same, but the intended effect of helping the poor would not be the result. The poorest people just become poorer, they all loose their jobs, and the not-so-poor people become richer, they all get more jobs. Despite this being undesired on the outside it would look exactly like the example you described.

Thus why your arguing against something totally unrelated to what the meme is actually saying.

So now that we know your example was debunked and not relevant let me ask you, based on what you now know what sort of data can you use to get an objective answer?

@alexa@fedi.absturztau.be

@alexa@fedi.absturztau.be
Well yea what they said was fine, im not upset about it. But if what they said has nothing to do with me.. then, eh ok.. thats cool. Probably responses to my own post isnt the best place for that (just cause its confusing then)

@enigmatico

@alexa@fedi.absturztau.be
The thing is on social media if the authors intent is unrelated to what your about to express, its probably more suited to its own post (which i may comment on if invited).

But if your commenting on someone elses post and going to debunk the "message" I'd imagine it would be important you at least first try to understand what that message is.

@enigmatico

@alexa@fedi.absturztau.be
The essay? Only know of it, dont know it, if you know what I mean :)

@enigmatico

@enigmatico
I know you werent saying minimum wage is bad. What im saying is you totally missed what the comic is saying, or at least, what I meant by the comic when i posted it. No where does the comic claim it would overall decrease the employment rate, or anything of the sort. What it shows is a person hiring someone more qualified. But someone is still getting hired.

So thats how you missed the pint, you assued the comic was saying "minimum wage increases the nations overall unemployment rate".. .it is not saying that at all.

Would you like to ask me what the meme is actually saying and my intent by posting it? I'd be happy to answer at which point we can actually begin the conversation (because until now its been you responding to something I never said because you assumed i was saying something I didnt).

@alexa@fedi.absturztau.be

@enigmatico
See you actually just proved my point.

I agree that everything you just said probably happened. It also does NOT accurately describe WHY minimum wage is bad. Since you didnt bother to ask me what opinion I held, and instead you made a few assumptions, you got it all wrong.

In short you totally missed both why minimum wage is bad as well as the intent I had by posting the meme. Which is why you should try to engage people and listen to them first, then draw your conclusions second. Otherwise youll be so lost in your own confirmation bias you wont make a useful argument. I mean hell you just thought you debunked an argument of mine which wasnt the argument I was making in the first place. So case and point there.

@alexa@fedi.absturztau.be

@peterdrake PArt of the reason for that is that while being the most popular it doesnt have a very big piece of the pie. I dont remember the exact percentage but were talking single digits or less. Other countries, even ones with smaller populations, have a larger disparity where the most popular name will be a much larger chunk int erms of %.

Ive read up on some hard research on this topic. It basically boils down to older societies and languages tend to have greater disparity. So a young language/country like the USA wont have very many Smiths overall, but older languages and countries like chinese will have a rather large portion of their population all with the same name.

Long story short over time the number of surnames tends towards 1.