🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@Pat

Actually recent strains already appear to circumvent the virus. Delta, and I think omicron, both showed viral loads in vaccinated people that was equivelant to unvaxxed. This strongly indicates it had little or no effect on stopping spread.

@icedquinn

@Pat

They arent negative, I linked the numbers. All positive, but each strain is becoming less deadly.

@icedquinn

@Pat

cumulative death counts really has little relevance here. We only care about the current rates,

@icedquinn

@Pat

No otherway around, omicron is in fact the least deadly yet most virulent of the strains, making it dominant. Delta by comparison is 4.7x more deadly than omicron and all variants collectively are about 10x higher mortality rate than omicron,

Here is the quote about that from a study done earlier this year:

We estimated the lethality of the different variants by using their average death rates. For Delta, Omicron, and other variants in aggregate, these are 0.0020, , and 0.0022 in South Africa (Figures 1B, D, F), respectively. There, Delta's death rate is 2.3 times that of Omicron, whereas the death rate of the variants other than Delta and Omicron is 1.1 times and 2.5 times those of Delta and Omicron, respectively. In the United States, we found that the death rates of Delta, Omicron, and the other variants are, in order, , , and 0.0019 (Figures B2B, D, F). There, the death rate of Delta is 4.7 times that of Omicron, and the death rate of the other variants is 10.8 times that of Omicron. In Canada, the death rate of Delta is , whereas this is for Omicron and 0.0014 for the other variants (Figures B3B, D, F). Delta's death rate in Canada is higher than that of Omicron by a factor of 3.1; for the other variants, this factor is 7.4. The previously mentioned analysis shows that Delta and especially Omicron have lower death rates than previous variants.

@icedquinn

@icedquinn

Again your wrong on the facts. They didnt **switch/88 to more rigorous numbers. The rigorous numbers from day one were collected along side the preliminary less rigorous numbers, as is common practice.

The cycle count isnt particularly relevant as the rigorous numbers require a clear indication that the **cause** of death is covid, not simply that they test positive for covid,

@Pat

@icedquinn

It literallyw as not.. They had different numbers they collected, there was a pool where the criteria were more relaxed where the numbers were "live" numbers. Then there were numbers that were far more rigerous that had a delay of months. This is perfectly normal practice and anyone dealing with the numbers knew what each meant.

@Pat

@icedquinn

Nah thats a hands down lie (but a common one). The whole idea of intentional and grossly negligent reporting of covid deaths doesnt stand up to rigorous investigation. I have been running these exact numbers professionally for a while now with a pretty decent budget and set of resources... its simply not true.

@Pat

@Pat

To put some specific numbers on it the transmission rate (Beta) in february for omicron was ~0.06, for delta in feb it was ~0.11

@icedquinn

@stardust Which is merging into a SPAC, the spac is called nextgen. By the time I officially take over in my new role it will be merged and by that point it will be nextgen.

@stardust scentech-medical.com

@Pat

Thats false. While Omicron was, intitially, far more virulent it actually decreased significantly after its initial introduction to the population. As of February (the last good analysis I saw) omicron was in fact many orders of magnitude LESS virulant than delta was at that same time.

As for death rate, no, the death rate went down significantly not up. Partly due to it being easier to treat than other varients apparently.

@icedquinn

@Pat

I agree with the politically motivated treatment of covid... more deadly, not so much. I am running a company that is in the COVID arena and we rely on sampling people with covid. We struggle to even get samples at all right now.

@icedquinn

@icedquinn To be fair pcr tests didnt even exist back then. But I agree with your general stance here.

@stardust Thanks ;)