🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@wjmaggos

Im a huge supporter of RCV since it is simply a superior method. However the evidemce overwhelming ahows that FPTP voting (what we currently have) doesnt cause two party systems despite the myth. This is evidenced by the thousanda of elections aroubd the world that uae it without ahpwing a tendency for a two party system. Likewise we see in states with RCV it still maintains a twonparty dominance.

So as much as id love to see RCV sadly i dont think that ia the main problem. The problem ia just that americans are super gullible and actually are easily.manipulated i to beleiving there is a twonparty system ahen there isnt.

Who are you rpoting for, Harris and a complete global economic collapse and world war, or Trump ans the end of democracy in the USA? Choicea choices...

#USPol

@FinalOverdrive

They certainly arent criminal, as for differences, whatever may exist they are subtle.

People have a tendency to get held up on some stupid shit sometime. I dunno, frankly I dont get it.

Valid, nor did Trump. Yet another reason to vote third-party.

@FinalOverdrive

Thats my point at the begining, everything we discussed is relevant only in a medical context (sex)... in a social context, like someone you meet on the street, their DNA or genitals or homones dont matter. What matters is how you contribute to their happiness, and that of society, rather than suffering. In that regard I'd say the **minimum** a person should do is address a person with respect. To call someone who is clearly trying to present as one sex by terminology for another is little more than an attempt to mock someone behind a veil of "biology".

@FinalOverdrive Yes a person can physically present aas a woman with male hormones if they have the wrong hormones or sensitivity to it. For example Androgen Insensativity Syndrome.

@FinalOverdrive

That is also a very valid point for sure. I think there are a LOT of people who present as one sex but have a hormonal balance closer to the other from such an early age their mind will be oriented more towards that sex.

@coded_artist

> Gays that fuck kids ruined Holywood.

What about the hetrosexuals who fucked kids? What do gays have to do with it, why is that anymore relevant than any other random attribute in your statement?

People that fuck kids ruined Hollywood.

There I fixed it for you.

@FinalOverdrive

Yea I can see that it tracks.. Certainly the hormones radically shift your brain closer to the opposite sex over time. Im not sure that is exactly the same as having the hormone since birth, but its a huge step in that direction. Like i said medical science may be able to get you farther one day, or maybe we understand the brain better and my whole understanding is wrong, who the hell knows.

@FinalOverdrive

Well yes and no. There is no doubt hormones will effect the brain moving forward in many ways. But your brain establishes connections when you grow up that you cant change later in life. So hormones I might expect new connections to form in a way that reflects the opposite sex more, but hormones wont rewire your already established patterns, which would have encoded themselves according to the influence of your birth sex.

@wjmaggos

Spot on...

@ryan

@FinalOverdrive Interesting point. I could see some future point where they can change your DNA, hormones, neural structure, genitals, the whole 9... That does worry me a bit, specifically going so far as to change your mind into one that reflects the other sex, as that is changing who you are fundementally... but that aside, yea, one day maybe.

@FinalOverdrive I wasnt implying you meant that. I was saying that is how you described the anti-trans liberals. So that was my take on that.

@FinalOverdrive

Hmm, yes i can see that. There are some liberals who view the differences between sex as a pure construct. I think thats a weak argument, as I think there is some genetic/hormonal influence that defines some of our differences. But I do appreciate teh sentiment of wants to ensure everyone is treated as equal.

@FinalOverdrive

One could argue you can change your sex from whatever it is to intersex, but never to one of the actual sexes. Typically sex is defined as a combination of features include: Genetics, sexual characteristics, hormones, etc. When all your characteristics line up with one sex or the other, thats the sex you are. You can change some but not all of those properties and thus when you do have mixed characteristics and would effectively more like an intersexed person at that point, albeit through artificial means.

That said the important part here is actually about how you treat someone, not what they "are" in a semantic definition. We agree on the most important part is that GENDER and not sex is what dictates our language and how we treat someone. Typically in language we mean gender, as we should, and not sex. Sex really only applies in medical contexts.

@FinalOverdrive

Ahh ok. I have not personally met a liberal type who wouldnt admit that a trans-womans **gender** is that of a woman. They might rightfully point out that sex and gender are different, if saying so is relevant to the conversation. But generally recognize them as gendered as women.

That said I dont want to minimize your experiences. If you met many liberals who treat trans-women that way that is very much ashame.

@FinalOverdrive

Im not sure i have any experience with the "liberal wing of transphobia""... Ive seen plenty of vile toxic behavior from liberals, but hating on someone for not looking feminine enough is not something I've personally witnessed from the liberal community in any proportion.

Do you have an example maybe of what you mean?

@realcaseyrollins

Yea we have almost always had that at QOTO too, i think the feature is like 4 years old here now. We use the follow button with different colors to indicate if you are followed back or not.