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@synlogic It seems you deleted a post about Ukrainian's being similar to Russian's and a boycotting theme. About 1.5hours back from this post.

But I send reply now anyway as my own toot since it's gone as it had a good point not many might mention. So I'll take a few points and make it my own thread... (if you put the post back let me know and I'll add it there)

People are most measurably behind in the mind. And to say that Ukrainian's might be also, that can be hard for me to say, but apart from naturally being behind as humanity (or letting things slip in exchange for money, banks. gov etc) it's also that YES:

UKRAINIANS AND RUSSIAN MAY WELL BE SIMILAR AND THE SAME... (assimilated)

It's also a case of "one looks better that the other" in terms of oppressor and weaker person but on other terms there is a rolling history and "just another leader" timeline (like a boss in a company that suddenly comes in) and in this template anyone can come along and do similar things in the past (which quite all countries did or didn't know how to give power to it's people to conquer this major re-occurrence and only defended it's land to oppress the people... again)....

It's not easy either as anyone just coming into life has the previous rolling crap to deal with as a 'system' (way of cheating people or imposing an original idea ⬅️ many ways to see it but ultimately uncaring EVERYWHERE )

So like a leaning tree nobody want to straighten or hold up, it just keeps leaning towards the same things - so it's also made up of the same type of dynamics (largely people don't doing anything or not to the end to say it's unacceptable for any war or heavy extraction as cruelty and false freedoms- and with actually caring nothing can be built on top of that)

Ukrainians are Russian-ish... And so are many elsewhere - but you're right to point to language, habits, assimilating for so long next to each other...

Just people/humanity are very much behind and still letting things slip despite the lessons...

(and just for historical imagination without adding fire...)

Just imagine what might happen as examples and money / war orientated stuff...

example ➡️ ❓ Ukraine becomes a super power over time or instantly and then tries to take over Europe with all that money.

example ➡️ ❓ USA's money ruins Ukraine and it just becomes another crappy copy with the same high street we see everywhere
Culture is irrevocably eroded,
Americanism's are copied and then imposed. Already something everywhere as ultimatums almost.

example ➡️ ❓ Ukraine and Russia team up temporarily and already have skilled mercenaries going to Africa to extract big bounties there and pave the way for Western expansion (and agree to call off war for now and sort out Africa with their own mutual teams of specialists since Africa is a lesser / weaker team - and that's what the monopoly board is about - to conquer, extract - the weaker the better so why not divert attention for a bit and call it "ceasefire") 🌍

example ➡️ ❓ LOTS OF EXAMPLES. It's all a dirty business of extraction / prostitution unless your business become actually caring and resolving all past problems and letting the people have more power over governments.
ETC.

Ukrainians are Russian-ish ?...
Yes. And so are many cultures as a people and humanity very much behind - just letting things slip by the minute avoiding all responsibility / personal conflict themselves... which adds to all this immorality on a lower level or higher up...

Once you sell yourself only and don't aim for anything more, you leave yourself at the mercy that give "no mercy" and frankly don't care and won't until people do better to care daily together...

I have answers but who wants to try ? ❓

@danvolchek I think it comes from being powerless all round / all in all.

Almost like, "what else can they do?" ... I would actually ask you that too

(True we could hate less, but almost is like saying nothing while things get 'worse' is also not good and doesn't feel good meanwhile).

For me the answer is almost correcting things from the beginning of everything - almost everything (which is why people don't change or want to correct things because the same way they incremented on us to get here (for dependency, bad stuff etc) is the same way we have to increment out (by almost our own self if needs be and nobody else around to help figure it out).

I guess it's also reflective that 'Free' is still paying for things in some way so always at some point companies are going to do something not free or in line with it.... and that's a complaint about society too (I don't believe it has to be this way)/

For example, good things could be exempt from needing to pay so much taxes or 'already paid' in many ways after a certain time. Or just more people consider paying it forward until almost all of it is.

So... Being powerless - Complaining or Not Complaining / Staying polite during morally questionable things... not easy. And perhaps feelings of getting better?

And on the other side "You can't please everyone..." (which could be solved by allowing disabling / allowing opt-outs but of course that wouldn't be profitable as everyone would disable adverts and bad parts...

@puresick
@Optional

COMPUTERS / AI INSTEAD OF PEOPLE DOING PEOPLE

PEOPLE BUILDING FRIENDSHIP ? Seems people don't see the point!

Seriously, I think this is a real reflection of how people do things in real life right now, they just want to stick to job, buy food and the rest is too much / uncreative as any willpower -

Having AI or machine to chat to is not far off the destination ... some feel-good thing is what people want to replace (not with human by machine as we see in all levels of life). That is about right as the "Hi-Bye" attitude increases between people and then saying "oh isn't it terrible this happens or look at that they are doing (and what we are not doing).

It's "too much" to deal with or try saying people to try... try investing in building relationships. I understand it is wanting to be avoided (as closed doors act as defence also) but all is being lost and EXTERNALIZED by people that way. Community reduced and looking after people with it.

Like the other things in their life,
it's for someone else to do.

So not surprising and not only companies to blame. PEOPLE themselves (even on Fediverse) feed that very short-range circular don't-both-me (even if you're my fan) thing and aesthetic FROM their real life equivalent because they don't want it / they've lost the reasoning why... shelled up...
Contact pages on websites and then suspicion when you do contact them. Smiling faces, short-text as practice.

And as for Tech (in short, forgive me):
"People like their computers and devices more than people"

So more than me or you they rather program or have what doesn't talk back unless it's in a way they want..

No finding of reasons build with me (or help build me as a person) - lost the whole growing one's self thing - quite immature still and staying stagnant as the world encroaches on people like that.

Perhaps almost all people doing that "For The Way" is too much but it can solve almost anything for those that want to choose 'something else' more that devices and BigTech to fund / propel our lives.

Reality is we can do it because we already are (alone) and like a lot of stuff and even can tap into new randomly also. But that's too much like going to a new type gym and new as muscle set...

Regularly people choose nothing / I'm ok jack / why help you / me / 'the world' incrementally.

In my experience trying I can detail and say why but I'll try keep it short... (I probably said it all)

So long-story short, not many want to fix it or most anything ...
who wants to follow the ball of string to find why or grow people which we could have done anytime we chose but anyway nobody to talk to even about that LOL!

The Will / Perseverance is so scarce...

So if you too have anything more than just reaction here as the same kind of short ways online, let me know both of you.

Your lack of answer might also be a good indicator.

#AI #relationships
vs
#Real #Imperfect #People

Computers are more #Perfect / Perfectly #disposable no?

#SocialNetwork #Social = #Human #Robots ?

It's that kind of money or urgent-only that is socially horrible for building anything -

I think I still try every day because it's the only real way humans are going to get out of every problem by practicing more than monetary transactions and crisis-only management (same thing predictably and even encouraging more of it) even when there is a a buttons a few steps to which switch the water off they keep bailing out only for more water to come it.

Just to slow down their processes for trouble-shooting to be allowed into the process circle is enough. It can also be a 'thinking outside the box' thing which state puts the perception of when most of it theory or low-level threats to train animals into things they can't do things...

better processes and circles of habits please 🔁 or just ask me if stuck...

#social #fediverse #habits #relationships #people #power of #mind

@trwnh YOU GOT THIS SPOT ON... "Don't lose this thought"

That is what comes to mind as this whole things is missing the point of social which I feel is literally because of these things mostly:

1/ People don't see 'system' as doing effort themselves or it's used as a one size fits all thing to work for them.
It's not obvious or there is no 'protocol' to grow 'people' or socially - like how to relationships <--- this is the hard part for people, they might need an actual protocol to say "people use nicknames, it's ok, they are not 'spammers' by default, you can check their account, you can interact with them as 99% are a billion miles away etc!

2/ People are losing the skill to build relationships - 3 comments and it fizzles or even worse it's like your heckling or abusing them... people find negatives more than just to stick to the good - almost generations of well-trained TV watchers... they have no overall idea or quest... no offense but I have the experiences as my whole profile has been about finding people and people finding me but anyway I even listed the reasons before (such saying "I don't have time" but not willing as the reality / not able to test or try or see the point of... mostly people are either comfortable (even in a bad way not to come out of it despite saying), have fake/isolated quests, stick to job mostly (which is state regulated so never going to be rebellious) and almost subservient to whatever state "system" aggression / passive aggression) ... generally uncreative as social contact is concerned...

Anyway so maybe I think according to them or me people should accordingly do better but small circles going nowhere basically is not helping anything - mine or their hobbies or fan-club building.,,,

So without moaning ( or showing as reasons! ☑️ ) it's also a reflection of people in real life or not and what they already don't do AND don't do.
They don't know how to make friends or have passions to push them past the post - unless "system" to tell them like algorithms - it's almost like they need pressure to save the world:
like "talk more / give more love to 3 people or else you account gets frozen and you have to pay to unfreeze it".

It's that kind of money or urgent-only behaviour that people react to... horrible.

SKIP THE NEXT PARAGRAPH (IF HAD ENOUGH) AND GO TO LAST PARAGRAPH...

Even with websites people ask me why I contact them from their contact page, when I say I like xyz and their website even say "don't hesitate to contact me" - basically not do more past aesthetics and even going the distance more often with strangers to see what it is (usually just fans which almost people can't handle and do something better with). Such a shame...

So barring a "system" forcing or encouraging people (using ads or algo's) then I'm not sure how to re-train people....

As extra evidence and almost digging into the pattern I believe my life is proof of, it's much like the Christian's (or any religion) who just go once in a blue moon or even on Sunday's only and don't look past this as a way of life (which should be spreading "His Love" or not selling body / soul or whatever level they choose... it's like an empty label or description also for experts here (almost all I've contacted) who are one-way or just not spiraling / harnessing even like-minded people... Not sure what it is but being strong inside and willing to try almost everyone is part of it to get there even at a slow pace rather than almost running backwards bumping into things / scared of their own existence !

So a long post you see - Sorry if a bit longer than expected but things nothing done about don't work.

Often regularly what people don't understand and leave for others as problems get longer and worse and as layers are added to make it even more unclear or emotional for them (low acceptance of different people). Human advancement of (of any kind) even at 0.1% increments is hardly there)... !

My answer to all this is T-group / circle training to put some more of this back in - much like couple who pay people a high amount just to listen and say nothing - that's have far society of individuals are...

I #quote myself

"It's that kind of money or urgent-only even that people react to... and it's socially horrible even though I try every day."

Hope I haven't got you wrong on this... but the paradigm I think I've described for you and could go into a "don't fall into this trap" kind of manifesto / good users guide lol!

People below attempting to do what Mastodon doesn't do.... VIEW BACKUPS! who would want for such a thing... !
So anyway the makers of Mastodon didn't add a human readable export - lol ?!!). Valiant efforts below:

1/ @meowViewer = meowViewer
https://toot.cafe/@meowViewer

2/ https://bovine.social/mastodon/ using buffalo-components via https://www.npmjs.com/package/buffalo-components) to create a viewable list from the outbox.json
* BUT NOT PICTURES *
(SOURCE = https://codeberg.org/helge/fediverse-projects)

3/ Manually edit the #JSON ?
https://mastodon.online/@almodozo/109481007387299591
https://qoto.org/@freeschool/112877661754738876

4/ A few #RSS or #Wordpress or Hugo / Static exporting ways
CHECK HASHTAGS ABOVE OR
@pfefferle 's #activitypub #WordPress plugin
https://wordpress.org/plugins/activitypub/

<<< ADD TO THIS LIST PLEASE >>>

4/ You own instance + replacing posts file with new? (IS IT POSSIBLE?)

5/ .... ?

#Question - #FAQ or #FAK ?

❓ How to #move #server ? ❓

❗ Answer (in short) you can't take your data with you ! ❗

@grrrr_shark @mhoye OWNERSHIP OF PEOPLE BY STATE?
Hmm this is a good point, often it's only a "choice" only when allowed a choice (like both options are good for state gov's) otherwise you must do what empire says when it comes down to it with penalties and it's ever advancing rules like fencing animals to say 'this' is your options as a one-size fits way of 'system' and doing it's way with people as finely detailed as possible

(State's perspective is perhaps that it owns people when they are born into and when comes down to it for anything serious?).... that's scary !

HMM... birth 'certificate'...
property 'certificate',
shares/bonds ...
ownership of land certificate...

@mhoye
EXPLAINING / MEASURING DIGNITY ? (SOMEWHAT)

I think or feel like it's also about measuring that somehow but the kind of 'measuring' without falling into the trap of objectifying it and more like how you said the dignity side which is something totally abstract to most people above a a certain depth so when put into words and paper it might be more than that (also might be ignored but something you can refer to or wave people at and say "what about fulfilling dignity" or something like that)

The word privacy is a bit like "shelter, food for all" or "saving a life" but no way power to that other than words - so in the lower components as 'dignity' might be it seems good to define and NOT just the rule-makers crappy definition or 'one-size fit's all' thing they can defer or gloss over)...

So if you have a way to make that more of a substance ESPECIALLY for those that don't genuinely understand or even "feel" or "have sympathy" because I think steady people don't feel or understand GENUINELY or because of layers (and yes ignore if rules don't tell them to do something)

So then something of an object (or whatever I'm trying to explain here without objectifying it) is really important it feels so it's not just one sided "feeling" and other "not feeling / dismissing because they can't feel or have definition)...

know what I mean?

I think you made a good start and it even be literally be copied and pasted into separate lines, and added to by others to see what it builds... as a subset to something often unsaid...

Let me know what you think, thanks

Hi wondering if anyone knows you made the Mastodon #Export

- I'd like to ask if they could add pictures to the backup posts

- and paginated results rather than infinite scroll

OTHER EFFORTS
1/ https://bovine.social/mastodon
(No pics linked tho)

2/ @raymondcamden also attempted here for website:
https://www.raymondcamden.com/2024/07/04/building-a-web-version-of-your-mastodon-archive-with-eleventy

3/ meow!
purr.neocities.org

Comments might interest... @Hejny https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113194907175478809

@Hejny @L29Ah @cweickhmann @trinsec
Export Viewer failed - screenshot shows @meowViewer

https://purr.neocities.org/ (can try it with own backup, is supposed to process in browser)

Failed with Firefox version 115.8 (almost latest) with Mastodon v3.2.1 export (on this server).
The tar.gz downloaded / unpacked ok so doesn't seem that.

1/ Anyone have a guess what error means?...

2/ Anyone have a smaller post archive with only a few posts in backup export file that I can use just for testing this tool?
(like if you are a new user can you export your data and DM me a link to safe upload site like dragging the file to the drop box style thing here: https://bin.dembased.xyz/)

Anybody got this working ok, also let me know and your basic setup (browser, mastodon version).... Thanks