#QOTO needs to actually QOTO -
between Ourselves
but also consider if server Admin could be / should be doing it also.
(I'm not looking for reply from Admin *not looking for truth* or not questioning often as part of their human responsibility basics in life / human progress)
Artificial Scarcity (Debt) = Negative Society / Violence
Artificially creating Scarcity (Debt) is a type of Violence of how a system maintains itself (unhealthily).
#Money #Debt #Unnatural #Manipulation #Domination #Bank #Creation #Scarcity #Violence
❓ What would be a good picture for Artificial Scarcity?
children a legal right to formally express their opinions and to meet with the inspectors...
" The school was the first in England to grant children a legal right to formally express their opinions and to meet with the inspectors. "
- UK Summerhill_School Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summerhill_School#Schools_based_on_Summerhill
#Schools based on #Summerhill
A. S. Neill Summerhill Trust
#SmallSchools #Education #Schools #Government inspections #UK #Books
@landley I was going to quibble about retrofitting genre names to things that predate its creation /as a genre/, but honestly then we just start recreating the whole argument about whether or not the Greek novel is a novel (maybe!) and whether or not the epyllion is even a genre that really exists (maybe!) and then it's the shouting argument I had with a comp lit classmate about postmodernist theory all over again, so on reflection, I'll accept your post as true.
Russia's Matroyshka dolls started out as a copy of Japan's Shichi-fuku-jin dolls nesting the seven gods of fortune.
The Russian copy was shown at the 1900 World Exhibition in Paris, from where it became famous.
https://en.japantravel.com/kanagawa/history-of-the-russian-matryoshka/31720
"1 in 5 voted Labour but they got two thirds of the seats."
- #RogerHallam #UKPol #Voting #Question
Can you explain how this works in politics according to text in picture?
#Capitalism is... ? (Many things or one thing?)
#Capitalism is... (many things according to many comments below)
From comments on video:
(there is something about this word and it's evolution that is terribly circular but nuances worth mapping out)
💬 Capitalism is excess of wealth, resources, power that's used to make more capital.
💬 Capitalism also has nothing do with volunteering, willfully making choices...
💬 Through capital gains governments/gangs/armies arise which will enforce that groups rule.
💬 Authority arises from accumulation of power which authorities intent is to remove threat to itself, all competition and opposition to itself.
💬 This is heart of capitalism is to remove competition and free trade.. not facilitate its continuation.
💬 When one has produced more than one has need of, and saves the surplus, or exchanges the surplus for something else, one has capitalism.
💬 When one gives what one has produced to another voluntarily, one has charity.
💬 When one has what one has produced taken involuntarily (be it surplus or not) one has experienced theft.
💬 Should one argue against capitalism, that one either argues for charity or for theft.
💬 Capitalism isn't about regulation, it's about investment and return, and may be free or encumbered by legislation.
@damiendeecee you don't understand how feudalism created the conditions for capitalistic profit.
feudalism FORCEFULLY created a master servant system with an ARTIFICIALLY large "working class"
the key point is LARGE working class at the bottom.
all human competence shows a bell curve, few at the top and bottom with the majority in the MIDDLE. feudalism created the classic /\ pyramid hierarchy with a LARGER class at the bottom, ARTIFICIALLY as I just explained.
- @Fuji_62
As long as a single group doesn't determine the currency and it's characteristics, capitalism is generally awesome.
- @jasonshults368
Without free banking, a money monopoly will exist, will tax, will destroy the economy. Free banking requires a free country, i.e., no statism (authoritarianism). That exists nowhere.
- @1voluntaryist
[ithadtobesaid on youtube] He is saying that it isnt normal to work long hours and that this is the result of violence and that the rich stole all the resources and have all the money and we have to go work for them our entire life go get money from them. And he is saying that in anarchy noone would use money, people wouldnt trade but own everything commonly, in the same way that grass is available for all deer, i guess. What do you think?
- @cxtxlin_cx
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DEFINITIONS THAT SEEM OK BUT...
💬 Just have a look at the dictionary definition of capitalism. It's simple: private ownership of the means of production.
Larken uses the universal definition.
- @damiendeecee
⚠️ MY COMMENT: Even the simplest version above seems to invoke more "What does X mean - so private ownership means more than just a piece of paper, it's inside a systems what has more and more rabbit holes than just "you own it" and that's it - it has taxes, rules, regulations, government ownership as some other entity above all this (Government registers all underneath it like a membership club allowing it certain "rights" it can do on it's behalf)
And then there is money and external banks which is loaning debt or "money" banks often don't have! (if Capitalism is without money and like someone said more words lots of object for another lots then OK it's A LOT EASIER if they also don't use money) but even Governments and banks working together are political (not just accumulation, but they choose who gets the money, often public money for private development and go on wars and escapades for all of it to circle back again (for conquering more places and people?).
This is the dirty-ness of all of it, not being sure how private and ownership exists without all this as it's hard to cut off global perspective or prospects and contracts by governments to do it's work for them. Money as debt and oppression / cheating it's people and then others... also can't be part of the equation if talking about neutrality of just owning.
Aaaaaaaanyway seems simple but then words often have mmmaaaaaaaany meanings....
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP
!
#Capitalism is... ? (Many things or one thing?)
From comments on video:
(there is something about this word and it's evolution that is terribly circular but nuances worth mapping out)
💬 Capitalism is excess of wealth, resources, power that's used to make more capital.
💬 Capitalism also has nothing do with volunteering, willfully making choices...
💬 Through capital gains governments/gangs/armies arise which will enforce that groups rule.
💬 Authority arises from accumulation of power which authorities intent is to remove threat to itself, all competition and opposition to itself.
💬 This is heart of capitalism is to remove competition and free trade.. not facilitate its continuation.
💬 When one has produced more than one has need of, and saves the surplus, or exchanges the surplus for something else, one has capitalism.
💬 When one gives what one has produced to another voluntarily, one has charity.
💬 When one has what one has produced taken involuntarily (be it surplus or not) one has experienced theft.
💬 Should one argue against capitalism, that one either argues for charity or for theft.
💬 Capitalism isn't about regulation, it's about investment and return, and may be free or encumbered by legislation.
Capitalism is not about taking care of people, it's about making money from your existence a consumer, like a pimp would ise your body for making money out of you, like a pimp would 'take care of' a prostitute....
Video about Capitalism (understanding the meaning)
https://invidious.private.coffee/watch?v=bjZLp8bh_RI&t=12m11s
12.11 "Now if by "Capitalism" you mean the nasty war-mongering- Black Rock using Government violence and Lockhead-Martin who profits off of the blood of innocence - yeah that's worth condemning for the violence and coercion involved..."
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SO MY QUESTION IS -
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Can you have the SAME level of force and coercion but in just smaller scale (with same percentage of shittiness and #fuckery) and would you be unhappy with it just because all these things around us are done by forcing their will on nature and stepping on it so hard and humans too forcing people / pushing them out of areas for their own gains and only trying to sell it infinitely / forever back to people (even after it's paid for)?
12.45 "I'm hugely grateful... who enriched me, not as much as them ***but*** why would I care"
Yes why would you care for how people get the money... is a very good point - all isn't fair and let's say even based on air or worse DEBT... so progression is all based on that lie NO MATTER the goodies from it...
If you value what is a lie holding up life then you can see it's wrong from that fountain of debt and causes the very same error IN EVERYTHING.
DEBT IS NEGATIVE AND THEREFORE IT'S PEOPLE, WOKR AND RESOURCES GO THE SAME WAY ENDLESSLY FEEDING DEBT FOR THE WRONG REASONS...
13.24 "Make a bicycle... with
➡️ no profit motive
➡️ no capital ownership
➡️ equality
I agree and admit this is what humanity has to overcome
I think WAR has helped us produce and make money from people (electricity etc all of it),
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It's not about taking care of people, it's about making money and making their existence like a pimp would for money.
or more directly said:
It's not about taking care of people, it's about making your existence as consumer - pimping your like for making more money out you like a prostitute....
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So for this pimping and war, like tanks and everything else made, it's just for prostituting us and the world.... and that I'm not happy with even if it's not all be orchestrated 100% but this method - most of it has and new-people were FORCED TO FOLLOW inside THAT as invention itself (call it finance, democracy, and more scams for people to this it's fair).
Criminal damage prison sentence for taking part in far-right riot: 2 months.
Sentences for planning @juststop_oil non-violent protest against destruction of life on the planet: 4 & 5 years.
The government’s priorities are clear.
It's not about taking care of people, it's about making your existence as consumer as a pimp would be for making money out of a prostitute....
https://invidious.private.coffee/watch?v=bjZLp8bh_RI&t=12m11s
12.11 "Now if by "Capitalism" you mean the nasty war-mongering- Black Rock using Government violence and Lockhead-Martin who profits off of the blood of innocence - yeah that's worth condemning for the violence and coercion involved..."
SO MY QUESTION IS - Can you have the SAME level of people but in just smaller scale (same percentage of shittiness and #fuckery) and be happy with it just because you got all these light bulb type things by stepping on people and those people forcing their will on nature so hard?
12.45 "I'm hugely grateful... who enriched me, not as much as them ***but*** why would I care"
Yes why would you care for how people get the money... is a very good point - all isn't fair and let's say even based on air or worse DEBT... so progression is all based on that lie NO MATTER the goodies from it...
If you value what is a lie holding up life then you can see it's wrong from that fountain of debt and causes the very same error IN EVERYTHING.
DEBT IS NEGATIVE AND THEREFORE IT'S PEOPLE, WOKR AND RESOURCES GO THE SAME WAY ENDLESSLY FEEDING DEBT FOR THE WRONG REASONS...
13.24 "Make a bicycle... with
➡️ no profit motive
➡️ no capital ownership
➡️ equality
I agree and admit this is what humanity has to overcome
I think WAR has helped us produce and make money from people (electricity etc all of it),
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It's not about taking care of people, it's about making money and making their existence like a pimp would for money.
or more directly said:
It's not about taking care of people, it's about making your existence as consumer - pimping your like for making more money out you like a prostitute....
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So for this pimping and war, like tanks and everything else made, it's just for prostituting us and the world.... and that I'm not happy with even if it's not all be orchestrated 100% but this method - most of it has and new-people were FORCED TO FOLLOW inside THAT as invention itself (call it finance, democracy, and more scams for people to this it's fair).
"Capitalism" - The misconceptions [I'm guilty of the wrong definition]
Most people think of Capitalism as the misconception and Yes I'm guilty thinking it's the corporatism type...
And do correct me also as I refine it a bit more in this post.
But Capitalism is usually considered by most people what Larken Rose says at the beginning of his video as the incorrect type which is:
"a corporatism type of using the violence of the state to get preferential treatment and enrich themselves and steal resources from other countries and stuff like that"
Video: https://invidious.private.coffee/watch?v=bjZLp8bh_RI
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So more #quotes and comments
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"You are rich because other people way richer..."
"..and have the screen and electricity... because of them and someone who invested lots of money"
BUT...
"They didn't do it out of altruism..."
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MY COMMENTS
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Time ⌚ 8.07
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"Thank people richer than you, because they're the reason those things exist"
"Now- They didn't do it out of altruism..."
***THIS*** is what people don't like and confuses everyone because
a) people should grateful for capitalism ***whatever*** definition it is (assuming all definitions are bad / or we could have had half-speed capitalism (call it the Caring-Capitalism flavour).
So although they get the definition wrong, still they are not happy the way people make products (YES they like the products NO they don't want resources and people's lands DEPLETED or SUCKED dry as much as we have it now with "infinite level of Capitalism" attempted.
It's like being grateful at some stage for buy oxygen... no we need nature (it almost has got to that stage in China they pay for pure oxygen as the smoke is so bad!)
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Time ⌚ 09.34
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"This idea that wealth comes from somebody else.. "
1/ Well how it's created from Banks is the biggest problem as debt banks can re-loan many times (that is an error and false accounting / scam). Bank don't have the 'Capital' for Capitalists so rich people are part of this original sin / lie / scam and perpetuate it using the earth and it's people.
2/ Don't forget nature being ues and destroyed... although we do have to use it up - we don't thank people for the ways, the speed and "Native people's" lands (or out land) for all that wood animals could still be living in...
3/ Bank CHOOSE who they lend to so this already political or bias, beyond just trying to get more money back
and then 9.51 "Now, when there are rich people who got their wealth by government coercion yeah they suck - that deserves condemnation
10.15 "But the idea that wealth should be resented or hated is just stupid".... "what you do have is the direct result of people with more than you seeing a way to make and sell something that you would want to buy voluntarily..."
SO HERE IS WHERE I THINK HE'S WRONG BASED ON MY POINTS ABOVE (How banks make money and how people are chosen to get it).
Also it forgets governments give people public money through grants or subsidy so there is a whole shiesty birth of projects and work usually for government control or various types of fascism/domination/control which would be full on Nazism if people didn't die so fast or work wasn't more efficient this way.
Money is not right in itself.
10.51 "And so I'm constantly grateful" and yes at most levels of cruelty or destruction I think we could still say we're "I'm grateful" but it depends on if you value the how for money and wealth (extreme extraction in the coldest forms, often death to those that come between it or nature demolished for just another road by-pass to the existing by-passes.... just a sick cancer of logic basically that in perhaps 100 years seemed nice but quickly it's like NO THIS IS ALL BAD - WE SEE IT NOW! From bank to extraction for products...
I think the video assumes we couldn't make light bulbs any other way OR make light bulbs but just not make then die after 2000hrs deliberately just to keep making money on them.... We could make a lot of stuff and rotate what we already have enough of to the next thing... not make things worst to sell more of them.
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SUMMARY
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How Capitalists (or whatever) do things to get there I think is missed (he mentions the Ferrari and "people don't steal a Ferrari from the poor to give a Ferrari to you" BUT THEY DO TAKE OVER LAND AND MINE THERE AND WAR OVER METAL, OIL, WATER RESOURCES, ANYTHING!! MINERALS ETC... WHICH BELONG TO THE POOR (OR THE GENERAL REGION OF PEOPLE which gets extracted OUT)... so the extraction is not victimless, it's just so general you can't show how it's stolen from their lands, their people but it has when you see a foreign company in another country - that's basically what they do - A company is on behalf of the state and gets special privileges to go and work / extract for it and pay % back on everything (almost none going to people but individuals instead).
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I COULD BE WRONG SO TAKE A BREAK TO THINK ABOUT THAT!
Do correct me!
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💬 OTHER COMMENTS FROM VIDEO.... 💬
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💬 I keep telling everyone that LANGUAGE MATTERS. When words are corrupted, misconceptions flourish.
- @kensurrency2564 - 2 days ago
💬 Me too, or free trade, free exchange ("libero scambio" in italian) 🤷♂
- @lucar.923 - 1 day ago
💬 English has the most definitions of deception than any other language
- @kensurrency2564
💬 I do a variety of things, I’m a handyman. I’ve never been hired to do anything by a poor person almost all my clients are much wealthier than me.
- @cameronpresley5771
💬 Should one argue against capitalism, that one either argues for charity or for theft.
- @Green.Country.Agroforestry
💬 That's why i don't call it capitalism, it's basically a very emotionally charged word that means so much to so many people. So i just don't use the word.
- @antyrak7905
Appreciating Capitalism - Responding to Poor
Appreciating Capitalism
⌚ 10.31 What you do have was the direct result of people with more than you seeing the way to make and sell that you would want to buy voluntarily
⌚MY COMMENT: Not bad BUT the direct result IS based on resources and wars as a direct result and continuing to do. That's what people hate and seen in #Capitalism.
- https://invidious.private.coffee/watch?v=bjZLp8bh_RI
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FOR EXAMPLE
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1/ Buying a diamond is from digging
other people's lands (like most products are sourced or encroach on others) IS NOT FAIR.
e.g. 2/ A drone purchase is both 'a fun toy' and also #research money going back into drones for war'. And then more machines for smaller or bigger tasks... hope you get what I mean.
#money #donations are not giving anyone anything new in the real sense...
Because the money system needed debt to create debt it's using from
In order to 'make peoples .
' money (debt from debt)... physically you give someone 100... BUT it took 110 to from them or someone else in the system to PAY MONETY to the bank as any loan or mortgage fee or % payment does, thus reducing value of all money n the same system!
(loans need you to pay for it thus reducing the face value!)
I'm looking for my Leaders / Are you also looking for Leadership? Someone to help ? Role Models to become ? Admin you look upto ?
On reflection I've been thinking that "I'm looking for a decent leader" and perhaps that all of us do look for leadership.
That's why we might moan when admin are not the potential we thought.
I've been wanting to merge with people and their work most of my life and perhaps that's naturally all of us in our life inescapably as humans (all part of one species) from parents and then... ?
And so increasingly when the bad world is cutting people out of the equation, cutting off from land or increasing it's price, our nature is cut off by those who have 100% bad/extractive intentions to cut down and sell it all (then sell it all back to us). So instead of rebel and all become terrorists (as a reflection of current regime) then we look to other people more and more to help and serve us or better people to serve.
(I could have just said "because government is shit deliberately we are forced to look to our parents and other people for answers" so you take either version of that!)
Because looking for leadership ties in so many good / wanted things...
●occasional person to partner up with
●project making / re-creating the past good ways and things
●remote or local integration of related work with projects (toward Freedom / everyone being more responsible together)
●potentials for "a new future"
●service to each other mutually with this power of "online" to wield.
●etc etc
This all makes Admin a target naturally for providing and representing spaces, also doing some of that already as part of their existence or blurbs and bio... after which they might just be talk or might be "I don't care for that as much" even if it's not directly that phrase - but after 50 emails you do get the message and especially if you're like me try all the angles and realise it's futile and someone willing would actually message you after some stimulous rather than the just as a chore to say "I replied" as the minimum.
Are they investing in people?
NOT SO MUCH MAYBE! They do social but not the 1 to 1 or bringing you into the trusted ring so to speak which is needed for the opposite not to happen (everything gets worse and avalanches on a few people since they didn't want to give up their seats or test something occasionally with others).
And many people too I believe chose and look up to their Admin...
...for their boldness
...what they represent,
...intellect
...ability to express
and so might expect them to lead the way even more or continually.
As a kind of human to those "in power" we might think "that's your purpose there, to serve me more of the good stuff and I will do best I can if only you would allow me to test things also to also represent this place!!"
It's my opinion, though demanding, it is our duty as humans and can't escape it - and though that seems unfair on Admin basically even free space without more is ultimately flawed... and not free either (which you might find out when they moan back).
Even the free or half-promised stuff can be like a friend who says he'll come fix something and every day forgets the day or keeps delaying or worse doesn't even acknowledge he didn't turn up while you're waiting for him.
Not talking only about my admin completely but also the whole dynamic of Admins and Users.
If you're admin is going into AI instead of more fully doing "the people work" as you see it - that's a cut off point of "Oh he's pro AI" and doesn't see the human slave labour behind it for the basic data entry and input or "totally he's interested in Tech and playing with toys more than people"
So although I don't know the guy (so don't take any of my words for it) do assume I've hammered this server with "we have to do this, can you help me with this, can we test this project" x100 posts and DM's and basically what seems would " legitamise " and magnify such as test project to get answers... So that's why we my ask persistently or beg or be told by another user "you can always go elsewhere if you don't like it" only for the same modern bourgeois attitude there... A bit like Capitalist job not willing to see the bad habits and care to adjust and just say "find another job and good luck!".
It can work as a provider, moral pillar, pioneer or whatever, that users expect and ask for more and sadly for the "expectee" sometimes not possible or not wanted...
Ideally like a mutual Leader or Queen bee (laying eggs like projects and supporting us) it might not happen in Human Society for other reasons. It's not just pure rejection or differences, and sometimes it is!.
But money, AI, non-improvement of users, FUCK THAT!
( lol - just wanted to add a bit of spice at the end)/
So some of this is going to be true for you as user or Admin.
Some things are are totally going to me misguided and circular for people, like "Tech-only and not people" or unsaid thingsthat are effectively that.
We are nature and natural to us is more nature / care and we not aiming for Humans with Borg-add-ons fused to us which is where things are headed! I am not against most things but we have enough and almost stopped doing the people work, almost switched to Tech only which surprise-surprise is what Government funds most (fuck the arts, peoples and education bitch!).
Are you looking for your Leader / pioneer ? So Am I....
#Humanity #Ants #Colony #Tribe
#Admin #Leaders #Pioneers #Assimilation #Sharing #Radiation #Mutual #Cause
🏆 🔷 (well maybe you found "the right person" (me) because the rest are not even aiming properly or clearly wanting to help people improve people NOT TECH!).
Users are the weak point also... so I can give you work and you can start on Monday!
Serious! No leaders I know around here... How about you?
Are #Admins just advanced bloggers?
Are you just helpless soul without another person? [MLK pic below will help you consider answers]
Freedom pioneer. All things towards #Freedom.
#FreeSchool = #Notes #Quotes (extracts / gems) from great #Books #Videos #Talks #Websites from all around the world towards
TOGETHER & MORE OFTEN DIRECTLY (who else is going to do it?).
#FreeSchool hashtag shows examples what this is about... and can check anytime.
Overall: Moving From Shorter to Deeper intelligence and more Caring thoughts...
( More below if you're able )
#DIY Care (because nobody else is going to as best as you do for those around) - #Caring IS our main #Politics / #Politics and "System" (not a system of cheating each other but caring and what Capitalism is cutting out - this is what we need to put back in and teach to those willing).
#Degrowth / PostGrowth
#WellbeingEconomy #DoughnutEconomics
#CaringEconomy / #CareEconomy / #Partnerism
"Free School" is a term for a movement born from the 1960's / 70's using educational living & learning practice towards #Caring & #DIY with all others (all at the same time - not an after-thought or specialism in 1 field or person who is a #compartmentalised person ignoring others in other fields). Caring to involves more things, increasingly aiming towards everything...
Posts are 1-line #Notes and #Quotes that links all other things (it's all relative).
Long comments use CW to shorten post vertically and add a 'show more' button to reveal more text if you want it. Long posts might seem bad but it's giving chance to more connection and understanding.
All things towards #Freedom (life moving from Shorter to Deeper thought).
Freedom doesn't come from short-depth lifestyles / short lines of text / ignoring / #inaction. Not less communication between lovers of similar things. MORE!)
#FreeSchool = Learning Together 🔁
#FreeSchool = Working Together 🔁 (eventually + I do Free work for Freedom.
#FreeSchool = Co-Operating & #DIY Solutions 🔁
See My #FreeSchool (Hashtag) for latest examples anytime. Or keep open and refresh from time to time:
https://qoto.org/web/tags/freeschool
#FreeSchool ➡ Increment Talking + Peacefully solve everything.
TLDR - Inaction = Fascism
Trust comes from "slowly but surely"... Doesn't have to be all-in, but peace doesn't come from one-way short messaging on 'social' Mastodon either - collecting memes and cats only is limited!
Remember we need develop better humans as well as 'develop' code on computers etc.
☮ Peace needs more... even to save all types of cats!
Get in touch - I'm someone that cares for everything because it's all human-related...
Human #chats welcome - I using #Jitsi audio chat which uses JUST browser (ANY PLATFORM + 2minutes to enter !)
(i.e. no-install / no account / no google / instant / privacy-respecting / safe-enough, etc!) Really the best out there - any platform / device! Instant audio chat !
Just ask for a link and prepare a few topics!
#AltText used (when I remember).
FREE WORK - I do free audio and video editing (anything considered - just ask).
Again - Creating Trust needs a bit of trust given "slowly but surely"... not all-in... being relaxed about it... but has to be more - 'working' like a 2nd job towards peace because your job isn't going to do it / it's now allow by State to get there! War increases prices etc ☮
So do "peace" as a side-job like it was your real job in the world, parallel to the Capitalism (Trap) you (we) were born into. We have to accept that and fight out of that and not be comfortable in it.
Heart and Soul all the way.