Klye @khird@qoto.org
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Joined Sep 2018
This post (as with all from this author) doesn't appear on QOTO's local timeline when I'm logged in. Nor do I see it when using the "See what's happening" feature while browsing the web interface and logged out. It looks like it's set to public, so I'm surprised it's not appearing. Any thoughts? This seems similar to the behaviour with the bots from last week - but now it's affecting local accounts.
@freemo and when they give spiders drugs you get https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc
@freemo @realcaseyrollins @georgia @tuxcrafting @igel
Actually that brings up an interesting point. If two regimes each set out to "kill all the X they can find" for their respective values of X, is one regime less morally culpable because their were fewer of its X to be found, so it killed fewer?
@realcaseyrollins right. Once you've built the group infrastructure, creating UI candy to make certain use cases (e.g. DM, followers-only) more accessible would be straightforward. But having already implemented the special cases independently, retrofitting groups into the standard, in a way that's compatible with existing servers and clients, seems to be quite a pain.
@realcaseyrollins I think this is backwards actually. Groups should've been the underlying addressing mechanism, with DM conversations (a group of two people) and follower-only posts (a group where only the admin has send privileges) as special cases.
@admin that's slow, runs in O(N). You can do it in O(log N).
1. Start with all plugins as candidates.
2. Enable half of all candidates, and disable the rest.
3. If the problem does reappear, remove all plugins you did not enable from the list of candidates. Conversely, if the problem does not appear, remove all those you did enable. With the remaining candidates, return to step 2.
Repeat until your list of candidates contains only the offending plugin.
@realcaseyrollins I have the JVC (I think) branded equivalent but it might be the same thing under a whitelabel arrangement. My hearing isn't great, but I find them excellent for listening to music & they have remarkably good battery life. The microphone or the upstream-directed connection is really bad, though - I can't use them on a phone call because the other party finds my voice unintelligible through the static.
@jeremiah This (i.e. the passive voice) is widely considered good style in technical writing. You write, "The instrument was calibrated according to standard FOO," not, "I calibrated the instrument according to standard FOO," because the identity of the person doing the calibration is considered irrelevant.
@LittleWytch There's Gitea, which is open source. Git is already *distributed* so making it merely *federated* doesn't have a lot of upside.
To follow up here with my experimentation:
1. I removed the Unicode from my display name this morning, at @dragfyre's recommendation.
2. I also defollowed and refollowed the wiki bot, but not the quote bot, in response to the discovery that I wasn't listed on the followers page of either.
I just recently checked the results, both bots having posted once in the meantime:
1. My home timeline contains the post made by the wiki bot in that interval, but not that made by the quote bot.
2. Similarly, the wiki bot's profile shows the new post viewed from within QOTO, but the quote bot's profile does not. Both posts of course appear on the botsin.space website.
3. Posts dated between 4 March and this morning are still absent, however (i.e. there is no retroactive fix).
4. I also checked an unrelated account on botsin.space which I have never followed, and I discovered that it too lacks any recent post when viewed from within QOTO.
5. I now appear as a follower on the wiki bot's list, but still not the quote bot's.
From these results I infer that:
1. New posts from unfollowed accounts are not propagating correctly from botsin.space to QOTO.
2. Until about 4 March 2020, content propagated correctly.
3. botsin.space either forgot follow relationships originating from QOTO, or believes these relationships were cancelled.
4. As a consequence of 3, even posts made by followed bots do not reliably propagate to QOTO.
5. Explicitly refollowing an account makes QOTO aware of its posts from that point forward, but not retroactively.
I think this federation problem will require intervention on the part of the admins to resolve. I don't know which end that needs to occur on, but I hope @freemo and @muffinista will succeed in working things out. Circumstantially, 4 March was significant on QOTO due to our dustup with sunbeam.city on that date, but it's unclear if or how the events associated with that conflict could have affected federation with botsin.space. In case examining the current state is useful to the admins, I will wait a few days (and longer if requested) to defollow/refollow @bahai.
My thanks to @dragfyre and @design_RG for their assistance in troubleshooting this.
Perhaps! The Unicode was only in my display name, not in my unique handle, so I'd be a little surprised but I've changed it and we'll see what happens.
You'll notice that the odd post does still come through - there was one today, in fact, which is what prompted me to investigate since I had previously thought the bot was deactivated when I stopped seeing its posts regularly. I also retain my status as a follower of these accounts, which is normally not possible if a block is in place. This makes me think we're not subject to such a restriction.
Hey @dragfyre, for some reason, I only see a small subset of @bahai's and @bahai_wiki's posts from my account, but many more (I presume all of them) when I visit the page directly in a browser. The problem seems to have started around 4 March 2020. Do you have any idea what might be happening here?
@coldwave Kind of. It reads like someone asked, "Why now?" and the author spent most of her time considering the "now" instead of the "why", going on about George Floyd and recent events. There's also a lot on the lack of diversity among media employees, which would be important if they were changing their hiring policy but is kind of tangential to the style change.
In particular, she mentions the "proper noun" principle that underpinned their old style rule, but the thought is left unfinished. There's no indication what principle of English now supersedes it to justify the new rule.
It's important to note that this is the CBC, not a private broadcaster which is supposed to change according to shifting preferences and market pressure. One of its functions is to serve as a language model for people learning, improving, or maintaining proficiency in Canadian English, so it's supposed to observe the principles of the language pretty zealously.
Here's a kind of non-explanation ("we saw a lot of other people doing it and the activists said it's good"): https://cbc.ca/1.5626669
@freemo Especially in the first example, the upper diagonal looks like a continuation of the L the same way the horizontal is a continuation of the K. So I read those two letters as LH or TH more easily than as LK.
@realcaseyrollins I'm not on the west coast, but it worked great here. The plywood is off the windows, the people protesting racism and the people protesting the mask order stand out of the way and shout at passersby, and life goes on.
The first few nights just saw the police outnumbered. Every arrest took two or more cops away from crowd control at a time when they needed every man they could get. Then policy changed, and they decided to just march down the street with pepper spray and tear gas if things got rowdy. Over the course of a few days, the story went from the crowd re-forming after being cleared, to the crowd dispersing after being cleared, to the crowd behaving and no longer getting cleared at all.
@realcaseyrollins ah, but that's a different proposition. "Stopping riots" != "Feds arresting rioters".
Alice, for instance, opposes *arrests* because she sees them as an ineffective use of resources. In her view, the police can more effectively stop riots if they forget about making arrests and just chase rioters from the streets, so the feds are allowing the riots to continue longer than necessary by pursuing bad strategy.
In compsci we talk about separating mechanism from policy. The same idea applies here - the question of mechanism (should the feds be making arrests) should not constrain the choice of policy (are we fine with rioting).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_mechanism_and_policy
@realcaseyrollins I don't think that follows. Consider:
Alice isn't "fine with rioting". But a given number of police can disperse many more people than they can detain, so she wants the feds to stop making arrests and just break the riots up instead.
Bob isn't "fine with rioting". But he feels strongly that the feds need to mind their own business and leave enforcement to the municipal or state police.
Carol is "fine with rioting". She has a jury summons and hopes to make a political statement by refusing to convict a rioter (jury nullification). She wants the police to arrest as many as possible to maximise her chances of getting on a rioter's trial.
Well the RF part of TERF stands for "radical feminist" and I'd be mildly surprised if anyone identified you as such. Not all transkeptics are TERFS.
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